2 major breakthroughs with my (non-vegan)parents!!!

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Please don't bash me for not being Vegan yet BUT
TODAY MY PARENTS SAID THEY WOULD LET ME GO VEGETARIAN!!!
I used to have an eating disorder so my parents are being SUPER cautious about letting me take foods out of my diet (which I understand). they also told me when I first brought Veganism up that they would never in a million years let me go Vegetarian much less Vegan
YET HERE WE ARE!!!!
The last few weeks I've just been calmly (and sometimes not calmly) stating my beliefs and telling them about how I can be healthy on a Vegan diet. (They still don't think I can get "complete protein" on a vegan diet and I would love advice on how to respond to that)
ALSO
Today my mom went with me to TWO different stores looking for Beyond Meat Burgers and she bought me a box!!! This is so amazing! The last time I brought up buying "meat replacement" items she said something like "I'll never have that stuff in the house." and now after I casually brought the burgers up she has bought me a box to try!!!
I know being vegetarian is not as good for saving animal lives as being Vegan is BUT it is a start.
 
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Excellent, Good News!

My number one piece of advice is to keep doing the "calmly". The "sometimes not calmly" is not going to score you any points. If you get frustrated go in the car. close the windows and doors, and scream at the trees.

#2. "complete protein" is a misconception or maybe even a myth. It was accidentally started in the 70s and its amazing how persistent a myth it has remained. There is an article, linked at the bottom, that is well worth reading. but i don't think using it as a argument will be effective. It's pretty technical. Plus it's one of those "everything you know is wrong" discussions that people just have to be ready for.

Also like most myths there is some truth to it. We vegans tend to dismiss it. Well after the hundredth time of "Where do you get your protein?", we get pretty tired of the discussion. But for some vegans, protein consumption IS a concern. So I think a better tact for your parents is not the, "All plant foods are complete protiens" but the "this is how I get my protein."

I think I may have mentioned CronOmeter to you before. I seem to bring it up in almost every thread. But if not, real quick, it's a web-based tool. It's not that hard to use, but there is a learning curve. It isn't very steep and after a few days you should be able to input your daily meals in less than 5 minutes. The website is free. There is an app you get if you pay to become a member. Plus the membership unlocks some cool features. but you certainly don't need to pay for it. Oh, and its just $3.

Anyway, the thing that separated CronOmeter from almost every other "calorie counter" is that it tracks amino acids. There are a couple of amino acids that are trickier for vegans. And Cronometer can show you if you are deficient in any particular ones (and with color-coded graphs). It's also a big plus that it tracks almost every other micronutrient that you need or can think of.

Another thing you can do with Cronometer is "fix" your diet. For instance, let's say that you see that you aren't getting enough of the amino acid lysine. Just Google "lysine AND vegan" and you will get a list of lysine-rich plant foods. then just add them to your meal plan. (BTW, Lysine is the reason vegans need to eat beans)

I'm a bit of a geek and like playing with CronOmeter. but if you don't have the patience I have two other recommendations.

Another web-based tool is SparkPeople. It has almost all the functionality as CronOmeter. it's more complicated, but its also more comprehensive. One thing that it does do that is very cool is with a push of a button it will make a daily (or weekly) custom made meal plan Just for you. It does not do vegan. but it does vegetarian. And your mom might like this: Another push of a button and it prints a shopping list. It also has recipes for all the meals it recommends.

Spark has its own free app. if you buy a food that has a barcode you can take a picture of the barcode and it enters it into your meal plan. Super easy. It also has a ton of other stuff. Forums, exercise plans, recipes, articles.

Spark and Cronometer also are compatible with many fitness trackers and fitness apps. so it can figure out how many calories you used more accurately.

My final recommendation is Dr Gregar's Daily Dozen Checklist. There is an app for it but you can also just print it and put it on the frig. I'll include a link to a PDF of it. You print it out and get it laminated. put it on the frig with a dry erase pen and each day you just check the boxes. At first glance, it looks like a lot of food but you have to look up what a serving is. Although some are pretty straightforward, some servings are just a half or quarter cup.

Regardless of whether you choose to use Cronometer, SparkPeople or Gregar's checklist, share your progress with your parents. Maybe even on a daily basis. the checklist is probably the easiest to share. Just put it on the frig. Cronometer allows you to print out a weekly one-page summary. Your mom might want to join SparkPeople, too. It can be a helpful tool for anyone concerned about nutrition - not just vegetarians. Give her your username and password and she can literally look over your shoulder.

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Protein for Vegetarians
https://michaelbluejay.com/veg/protein.html

CronOmeter
https://cronometer.com

How to use Cronometer

SparkPeople
https://www.sparkpeople.com

How to use the SparkPeople Nutrition Tracker
https://www.sparkpeople.com/resource/videos-detail.asp?video=17

Dr Gregar's checklist PDF
https://veganuary.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Daily-Dozen-Checklist.pdf

Dr Gregar's checklist - serving sizes
https://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-234...ry-day-for-a-long-life-a-doctor-explains.html
 
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I think I may have mentioned CronOmeter to you before.

Yes you have mentioned CromOmeter and I do use it! Thank you for letting me know about it! I just recently found Dr. Gregar's Checklist and I am trying to be more conscious of making sure I get the nutrients I need.
Thank you so much for all the information/advice you've given me! I'm not sure I would have gotten this far without your help!
 
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That's awesome!! I will wait for the day when you feel you can make your own choices and not have to be "allowed" to. But in the meantime, this is awesome that you have their support! I would seriously start here - https://nutritionfacts.org/?s=protein - especially the videos titled "The Great Protein Fiasco," and this one: https://nutritionfacts.org/video/do-vegetarians-get-enough-protein/ . Mic The Vegan has cited the studies many times that show that vegetarians and vegans have higher blood protein levels than omnivores, and that our need for high amounts of protein is a fabricated myth to sell animal products. ...So happy you have found a happy medium with your family. I think that's huge :)
 

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oh, I bet you're really going to like those Beyond Burgers. I think they're pretty darn good!:yum
I *almost* bought some a few days before Thanksgiving just to try, but OMG they were expensive! And I was a tad afraid of them b/c I never liked the taste of meat (stopped eating cows, pigs, chickens - basically all land animals 28 yrs ago), and my 16 y/o son has never had meat (other than fish), so I'm not sure what he'd think about them... I'm happy with my rice, beans, veggies & fruit (and some vegan ice cream....) ;)
 

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I *almost* bought some a few days before Thanksgiving just to try, but OMG they were expensive! And I was a tad afraid of them b/c I never liked the taste of meat (stopped eating cows, pigs, chickens - basically all land animals 28 yrs ago), and my 16 y/o son has never had meat (other than fish), so I'm not sure what he'd think about them... I'm happy with my rice, beans, veggies & fruit (and some vegan ice cream....) ;)
yeah. it's a real shame you only get two for like $8 or whatever. crazy. but, they dont taste like meat! at least I dont think so.

I really enjoy the Gardein Beefless Burger more. you get four patties for around $5 - much cheaper. however, these do resemble cow meat more closely. so you probably not like those.
 
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oh, I bet you're really going to like those Beyond Burgers. I think they're pretty darn good!:yum
I'm excited to try them - although, I don't like the taste of meat so I hope you're right and they don't taste like a meat burger
 
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