Can eggs be vegan-friendly?

[mistiq]

(your post only partially quoted) If you were joking, then my reply here is pretty much irrelevant- but communication would quickly become impossible if words did not have precise meanings. I'm thinking of the scene in Lewis Carrol's "Through The Looking Glass", where Humpty Dumpty tells Alice that when he uses a word, it means whatever he wants it to mean.

I acknowledge that these meanings can change over time.

i dunno ... i guess i like contemplating and having a yarn ... great way to learn of new things ... always do my best to have an open mind

per se... i was just looking into the idea of wheat being a hallucinogen and discovered that rye grass is most susseptible to such a thing

they call this ergotism which has historically been linked to mass hysteria {such the the salem witch trials where 19 people were exectured}

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and since "maize" in my home tongue language means "bread"

why the heck wouldn't we shift to "corn maize / bread" ???

easily cooked like any 3 ingredient damper or sourdough (and no need for the inclusion of eggs) #happydays #lovinglife

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based on covid 19 and all the other crazy things going on around the world

one would consider hemp flour or even lentil flour or even bunya nut flower or sunflower seed flower if corn ain't your thing

i'm all for shifting cycles of time and evolving into the future

 

[g0rph]

i dunno ... i guess i like contemplating and having a yarn ... great way to learn of new things ... always do my best to have an open mind

per se... i was just looking into the idea of wheat being a hallucinogen and discovered that rye grass is most susseptible to such a thing

they call this ergotism which has historically been linked to mass hysteria {such the the salem witch trials where 19 people were exectured}

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

and since "maize" in my home tongue language means "bread"

why the heck wouldn't we shift to "corn maize / bread" ???

easily cooked like any 3 ingredient damper or sourdough (and no need for the inclusion of eggs) #happydays #lovinglife

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

based on covid 19 and all the other crazy things going on around the world

one would consider hemp flour or even lentil flour or even bunya nut flower or sunflower seed flower if corn ain't your thing

i'm all for shifting cycles of time and evolving into the future

The thing is, wheat bread is fantastic. A French baguette, a Greek Horiatiko Psomi
I can't get enough!
And what about seitan!


(And I am mildly gluten intolerant).

 

[g0rph]

yes, although i consider evolution to be an important contributing factor

Evolution is incredibly important.
And both our physiology and sense of morality have and are evolving.

Bear-baiting, Cock fighting, Dog-fighting etc all were once accepted and considered normal.

In 16th Century France, cats were seen as unlucky. They had a practice of filling a net full of live cats and lowering them into a bonfire.

Thankfully, we are moving away from this type of thing...Far too slowly for you and me of course, but it's happening.

There will be a day when we regard the consumption of animals as a last-resort, although I doubt we will ever see a vegan world.

 

[Lou]

Evolution is incredibly important.
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Thankfully, we are moving away from this type of thing...Far too slowly for you and me of course, but it's happening.

Unfortutenetly is seems like humans are only too happy to make up and embrace new myths.
Examples of 21 century superstitions.

vaccines cause autism.
The 2020 election was stolen
vaccines are dangerous
.....

There will be a day when we regard the consumption of animals as a last-resort, although I doubt we will ever see a vegan world.

probably never see a vegan world, there will probably all be some people who need to exploit animals. But it would be great if animal exploitation was viewed by society as a sin,

 

[Ruthie]

Humans have so many 'waste' products that can save the lives of others, yet we have laws prohibiting their use without the persons consent.
Umbilical cords--https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/23981-cord-blood-banking
Organ donations--cannot use the functioning organs after someone dies if they hadn't given permission

I could change my mind if these FAR more necessary uses of animal products were allowed

This is interesting. Here is a post from my farmer friend Yolanda who posed this question in our FB Farmers and Vegans discussion group.

"Can eggs be vegan friendly?
I think they can in an ethical sense. After all. Veganism is an ethical stance.
I believe my eggs do fall into the category of vegan friendly. I give most of my eggs away and I have ordered a stamp to go on my egg cartons to outline their status.

Why vegan friendly?:
* Heritage chickens: bloodlines dating back to the 1950's. No male chicks ever killed at birth. No excess egg laying that can be hard on a hen's body.
* Naturally bred: all chickens naturally mated and raised by broody hens.
* natural lifespan: hens stay on the farm for life.
* 100% pasture raised: there is no limit to where these chickens roam.
* organic: not necessarily a vegan thing. But they are.

The only thing that may be considered not vegan friendly is that excess roosters are culled for the protection of the hens. Too many roosters are harmful and stressful to a hen's health. However I don't see it as any less vegan than animals killed in the protection of crops. The difference being, their bodies are also utilised for food. Both human and dog food. They are grown out to adulthood, free ranging on pasture and dispatched quickly on farm.

I am currently experimenting with a method to reduce male chickens hatching. Regardless. There is only a small amount of chickens hatched each year since all hens stay for life and will continue to produce eggs. My oldest hens are 8 years old and still lay."

What do you think? I would say Yolanda's eggs are indeed vegan-friendly and my wife and I usually get several dozen every few months. They are delicious eggs.

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Hello ,
no way .. Eggs are an animal product and even well-looked after hens are still being slaves .. Slaves so humans can eat their eggs .. and the roosters getting killed ? Come on - there's nothing ethical in slavery or killing "excess" roosters .. Regardless of what happens to unfertilised eggs in nature , it is NOT our right to keep slaves ..
That's it from me ,
Ruthie

 

[g0rph]

Unfortutenetly is seems like humans are only too happy to make up and embrace new myths.
Examples of 21 century superstitions.

vaccines cause autism.
The 2020 election was stolen
vaccines are dangerous
.....


probably never see a vegan world, there will probably all be some people who need to exploit animals. But it would be great if animal exploitation was viewed by society as a sin,

Agreed. Although I prefer "viewed as immoral".

"Sin" sounds like religious talk. And we all know just how sinful "Making graven images" or "coveting your neighbour's possessions" are.