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But the whole gun rights debate in the US just looks totally mad from a European perspective.
I think its crazy too.

Tell you the truth I can't get worked up on Universal Background checks. That would be what I would call a baby step. But what we need is Sweeping Changes. and we need them like 20 (or maybe 40) years ago.

So you know how Americans respond to mass shootings? they go to the gun store and buy guns. Just in case this time someone actually passes a gun control law.
 
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Perhaps you can let me know more but I believe there are some gun control steps that receive majority public support in surveys but can't get through the senate.

This may also be true on other issues like climate change and medical care. Bernie Sanders claimed that many of his "radical" and "socialist" programs are actually supported by the majority.

It's always seems strange to me how little the democrats push this angle.

If I was the democrats, prior to a vote in the senate, I'd have everyone in the party giving media interviews and tweeting and making it very clear to the public that the senate is about to vote on whether to accept the will of the American people or the minority of corporate interests. I'd make a huge fuss over it.

I'd also organize peaceful marches in advance of the vote, and again after it if the results was against the wishes of the people.

There doesn't seem much anger from either citizens or democrats when the Republicans vote against the majorities wishes.

I'd be interested to read a list of "things that a majority of Americans support, but the senate has blocked."
 
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Perhaps you can let me know more but I believe there are some gun control steps that receive majority public support in surveys but can't get through the senate.

Just off the top of my head, the big one is that like 90% of Americans are in favor of Universal Background Checks. and even like 70% of Gun owners (maybe even NRA members are not opposed to this). Even the majority of Republican voters have no issue with background checks.
Up until recently these kind of bills never reached the floor of the senate. since the Republican had the majority these things would either die in committee or the Senate Majority Leader would never let it come to a vote. (The Republicans have been in the Majority in the senate for 10 years.)

This may also be true on other issues like climate change and medical care. Bernie Sanders claimed that many of his "radical" and "socialist" programs are actually supported by the majority.

I can't give you examples off the top of my head but you are correct in your thinking. oh! one example I can give you off the top of my head is that the majority of Americans (even the ones who live in Georgia, Arizona, Texas, and Iowa, are in favor of Voting rights. Its just the Republican Govenors and Senators that are screwing things up.
It's always seems strange to me how little the democrats push this angle.

Well up until a few months ago there was little they could do put try to flip seats. What sort of amazes me is how difficult it is to flip a seat. (I.E. Georgia).
A lot of big companies support Republican simply because of the tax issue. Think of it this way, even if 90% of the voters want change. They only have like 10% of the money.

A couple years back I went to a Red District to knock on doors for the Democratic candidate for the US house of Reps. We were trying to get rid of Nunes who had a lot of opposition from all over the country, and money was flowing in to support his opposition. but big companies still outspent the Democrat.

If I was the democrats, prior to a vote in the senate, I'd have everyone in the party giving media interviews and tweeting and making it very clear to the public that the senate is about to vote on whether to accept the will of the American people or the minority of corporate interests. I'd make a huge fuss over it.

maybe they could do a better job of that. but its not like they don't already do that. With the Senate in recess that Senaors and Representatives have gone home and are having town halls and such. My Rep is having a virtual town hall later this week. I am in a blue district and state so there isn't that much I can do here. I am a member of Indivisible and Move On. Right now Move on is running several telephone banks and post card writing campaigns aimed at people in red districts.. Two years ago Move On and Indivisible members in Republican districts camped out and harassed republican Reps and senators. They even got a few to retire.

I'd also organize peaceful marches in advance of the vote, and again after it if the results was against the wishes of the people.

Yeah. and again we do that. if you can watch CNN or MSNBC you will see on TV lots of marches. (well not in the last 12 months) Last time there was a school shooting we all marched to San Francisco city hall. when Kavanaugh was being nominated and then when the Mueller report was redacted we did similar stuff. Not that it made any difference.
Here in California these were big things, too. I probably have some pictures.
Even in Red Districts there have been big marches.

There doesn't seem much anger from either citizens or democrats when the Republicans vote against the majorities wishes.

I don't know. maybe you just aren't close enough to see it. But also for some of us the futility of it sometimes sinks in.
I'd be interested to read a list of "things that a majority of Americans support, but the senate has blocked."
I did a little googling and found this list. not exactly what you asked for but close enough.

 

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Thanks for that, that's helpful.
Always happy to help. but something I should have said right off is that my opinions and observations are shaped by where I live.
Someone in rural America would probably say something like your entire premise is wrong. That it is up to the republican legislatures to keep America from becoming any more liberal.
 

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I wonder if Hiaasen is thinking he retired a little bit early....


Some notable quotes

The three people said that the examination of Mr. Gaetz, 38, is part of a broader investigation into a political ally of his, a local official in Florida named Joel Greenberg, who was indicted last summer on an array of charges, including sex trafficking of a child and financially supporting people in exchange for sex, at least one of whom was an underage girl.​
Mr. Greenberg, who has since resigned his post as tax collector in Seminole County, north of Orlando, visited the White House with Mr. Gaetz in 2019, according to a photograph that Mr. Greenberg posted on Twitter.​
A frequent presence on Fox News and other conservative media, Mr. Gaetz has recently mused with confidants about quitting elected politics and taking a full-time job with the conservative television channel Newsmax or another network, according to a person familiar with the conversations. Axios first reported on Tuesday that Mr. Gaetz was considering leaving Congress.​
I read somewhere else that he was going to Newsy. I wonder if Gaetz is considering leaving congress in handcuffs.

I suppose in retrospect, the fact that he was the only congressman to vote against the Human Trafficking bill makes it look pretty bad.

 

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This is making me feel better.

Its no big secret that the corporations love Republicans. And in 2021 Republicans love voter suppression. so... logically...

Some of the US's biggest corps are in Georgia. Delta, Coca Cola and UPS to name a few.

I wasn't surprised or even disappointed that the big Georgia companies stood by while Georgia enacted a voter suppression law. I didn't expect anything different.

I am pleasantly surprised that they seem to be taking a stand now. Could be just lip service. But best thing is that no one even had to organize a boycott, I don't think there was even much talk about one.

Another surprising thing is that it seems like MLB and the PGA seem to be taking point on this.
 
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The Masters is taking place in Georgia. so I guess the PGA was just full of it.

The governor of Georgia said something like ban on giving people water and food while they are on line to vote is taken out of context. People can bring their own food. they can even order Uber Eats. Of have a pizza delivered.
I think Trevor Noah was the first to point out the if people are waiting in line to vote and have the time to order pizza - well, there is something really wrong with that system.
 

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My family had a post pandemic and going away party.

Hanging out afterwards we started discussing George Floyd's trail and a number of us thought that maybe this was the tipping point.
Then yesterday another young black man was killed by the police. In Minnesota.

So, not a tipping point or at least not the one I wanted.

Y'know something like 20 years ago Michael Moore suggested that we don't regulate guns - we regular bullets. Bullets should cost $1000 each.

Well, there are a lot of reasons that isn't a good solution but here is a version of that.

Every time a policeman fires a gun there should be some kind of fine. Lets say $100,000 a bullet. bullets fired at firing ranges are exempt.

So if a cops life is in danger he probably figures that $100,000 is worthwhile. but he probably won't empty the magazine into someone. And if his life isn't in danger he shouldn't be shooting anyone anyway.

Trevor Noah had an idea and I think it needs to be expanded. You may have heard that Biden wants to regulate gun kits. Trevor thought that maybe the only guns you could acquire would be gun kits.

and my addition to this idea is that they have to be shipped one piece at a time. and you know that UPS guy who never can find your house. By him. And the directions should include inspirational messages. (to prevent suicides).

"Ok! last step. lets do it together. You've done such a good job. You should feel very proud of yourself. Nice work. You're the best! (video instructions by the Pelatron trainer, Ally Love.)