Pit bulls and other controversial dogs

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There is no such thing as an all-dangerous/all-aggressive breed/type of dog. There is good and bad in everyone, and there are good and bad in every group, including not just human groups, but also other species/subspecies and particular breeds/types. It’s unfair to generalise all dogs of any particular breed or type as aggressive or dangerous.
Yes, it is true (and unfortunate) that pit bulls were originally bred to fight, but, since then, they have been bred for other purposes, for hunting, as “status dogs” (unfortunately) and just as companion dogs. Also, apparently, (this is according to the ASPCA website) any fighting dog that showed aggression to a human would be killed. This may not have always been the case, but it probably was the case for at least some fighting dogs.
The average, companion pit bull, Staffie, Rottweiler, Doberman walking down the road is not necessarily any more of a threat than any other dog.
Also, just because a dog is of a so-called “nice” breed doesn’t necessarily mean that they aren’t dangerous. Most dogs do have the physical potential to be dangerous, and attacks and aggression in Labradors and retrievers are not unheard of.
The media and society have unfairly stigmatised pit bulls, Staffies, Rottweilers, Dobermans and bully breed type dogs.
Yes, a dog’s genetics does play a role in determining his/her behaviour, but there are other factors as well, such as the dog’s upbringing, training and socialisation (or lack thereof), experiences and just that individual dog’s personality/temperament.
Please, don’t judge a book by its cover. Next time you see a Doberman/pit bull/Staffie/Rottweiler/bully breed/any other controversial dog breed/type, don’t automatically assume that that dog is dangerous or aggressive.
There is no such thing as an aggressive breed.
Pit bulls and other such controversial dogs can be just as loving, friendly, kind, playful and goofy as any other dog. Many pitties get along just fine with kids, other dogs and even other animals. Some pitties have even saved the lives of people and other animals.
Pit bulls have worked as search-and-rescue dogs, therapy dogs, assistance dogs, (probably) emotional support dogs and actors in movies and TV, even starring alongside children!
Even dogs who have been horrifically abused can sometimes be rehabilitated with love and care and become loving, friendly dogs. Dogs with behavioural issues because of their past sometimes just need more love, patience, compassion, kindness, understanding as well as knowledgeable, loving people with big hearts and enough knowledge on how to solve behavioural problems in dogs and how to help them overcome their issues.
Many pit bulls, Staffies, Rottweilers, Dobermans, bully breeds and other controversial dogs would much rather lick you and be friendly than maul or bite you!
Of course, it is important to always ask kindly before stroking any strange dog (much less hugging any strange dog), but don’t just assume that a dog is dangerous or aggressive just because of their breed/type.
Also, breed bans don’t work. Breed bans just unfairly target all dogs of a particular breed/s/type/s/appearance. Breed bans result in innocent dogs being taken away, locked up, distressed and pining for their people and (maybe) their homes, seized and killed. Breed bans result in people being devastated and heartbroken after having their beloved dogs taken away and killed for no good reason. What could potentially be a much more effective approach would be to implement laws requiring that all schoolchildren be educated about how to behave around dogs, how to treat dogs, how to approach dogs and how to respect dogs (and all animals, and people!) and how to treat them kindly, and why it is always important to do so. Another strategy that could potentially greatly reduce the number of dog attacks on people would be to legally require all new dog carers to take their dogs (whether puppies or adult dogs) to socialisation classes and humane, positive reinforcement training classes, and to also train and socialise their dogs themselves, outside of the classes.
Please, don’t be prejudiced or discriminate against any sentient being/s based on their appearance, breed, type, species, subspecies, genetics, race, ethnicity, nationality, gender, gender identity, disability, neurological condition, sex, sexuality, religion, faith, culture, lifestyle, beliefs, the colour of their skin, their eye colour, hair colour or any other difference. We are all sentient beings, and we all matter!
 
While dog breeds do have intrinsic characteristics, a dog's personality is determined by its human's personality. An idiot human will have an idiot dog. Any dog can be trained to be an idiot.

Pit bulls (and AmStaffs and other aliases) were bred to be big and strong and loyal. Because they are loyal, they are very good with kids that they know and family. The loyalty can be used to make them aggressive towards people they don't know. When they bite, they can do a lot of damage because they are big and strong. If their training is traumatic or if they are used for fighting, they can have PTSD. Some can never be rehabilitated. On the other hand, one that is trained to be a loving pet will be the best pet imaginable.

My wife and I had a doberman quite a few years ago. Dobies are her favourite breed, and she had a couple of others before we met. Dobermans are real sweetheart couch-potatoes. They have a reputation as guard dogs because they are big and strong and athletic, and the cropped ears (now banned in many places) make them look fierce. Like any dog, they can be trained to be idiots.

On most top-ten lists, chihuahuas rank ahead of pit bulls and dobermans for frequency of biting. Of course, a pit bull bite can do a lot more damage than a chihuahua bite. So the pitties get more bad press than the chihuahuas, which means they get more attention, a vicious circle.
 
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I heard someone once say that the domestication of dogs was the best deal we ever made with the animal kingdom....and I have agree! I love all dogs! I've pretty much had a dog most of my life. Man's best friend after all.

I really haven't met a dog I don't like. I wish I could say the same about the owners. Pit bulls in particular have a bad reputation, but are one of the most affectionate breeds I've ever had, myself.

The truth here is that dogs are getting a bad reputation because of bad owners. I have always maintained complete control over my dogs and have never once had an issue. After all it's my responsibility to keep them safe, as well as the people we encounter, whether on walks or when visiting my house.

You can't blame the dog, unless it's feral, which isn't a thing in this country. I will say that much like people, dogs have personalities. Also, much like people, there can be the odd bad apple. There are many reasons why a dog might attack a person. Nonetheless, it is 100 percent on the owner to protect the dog and people it encounters. Don't blame an untrained or trained attack dog because it has an irresponsible owner.

I've heard of drug dealers training pit bulls and rottweilers to guard their premises. I don't want to stereotype, as there are many other people that might want to train their dogs to be aggressive and protective, but these breeds are not bad until they are trained that way. Sure, some can be very protective of their owners, but again, it is all on you, the owner, to keep them under control and safe.

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On the one side, there have been a number of articles about pit bulls being overly aggressive and hurting people. Those articles usually mention that pit bulls are descended from British military attack dogs. I had a coworker with 9 dogs ( could not turn down a rescue ) who as a dog trainer had the *personal* opinion that the breed is dangerous.

On the other side, I have come across a chorus of anecdotal accounts from pit bull owners claiming that the breed is maligned, the the stories were about mistreated dogs who as a result of being mistreated became aggressive.

My sister had a pitbull. It had an excellent temperament. It was very, very, muscular and I could see that its jaw was immensely powerful. I would rather not be around pit bulls.

In an ideal world pit bulls would be sterilized to let the breed gracefully disappear and people would stop making special dog breeds, letting dogs go back to a more ancestral morphology ( dingo-like, wolf-like, etc ). There are so many breeds where bad physical health and suffering are in-born to the dog. It is sick. All dogs can love, there is no reason to make mutant breeds.
 
The worst thing that was ever done in the UK was to remove the requirement for a dog license. If the requirement stood, people who are guilty of bringing a dog up to be aggressive could have their license removed and be unable to buy animals in the future. The only dobermans and rottweilers I have ever met have been very friendly and loving. I always ask the owner if their dog is friendly before I try to pet it.
 
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I am a big supporter of pit bulls and other breeds that suffer discrimination. I follow a couple of Instagram groups advocating for these dogs. I have known several pit bulls and they are all sweet hearts. Breed specific legislation is an awful policy and hopefully will be discredited soon.
 
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I am a big supporter of pit bulls and other breeds that suffer discrimination. I follow a couple of Instagram groups advocating for these dogs. I have known several pit bulls and they are all sweet hearts. Breed specific legislation is an awful policy and hopefully will be discredited soon.
Isn't keeping of any breed of dog inhumane though? Dogs were bred to guard, attack or fight in the service of humans. That's a terrible legacy to promote, especially when you consider the forced breeding of helpless pups that are basically brought into existence through the product of rape.
 
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Isn't keeping of any breed of dog inhumane though? Dogs were bred to guard, attack or fight in the service of humans. That's a terrible legacy to promote, especially when you consider the forced breeding of helpless pups that are basically brought into existence through the product of rape.

I don't disagree with you about breeding dogs. The practice is inhumane and is done for the purpose of exploitation.

But dogs exist, and keeping them doesn't have to be inhumane. Whether they are the products of "responsible" breeders, puppy-mills, of of natural procreation, they exist. Our human-oriented world is not a safe place for them, so they benefit from a loving, caring home.

We would never "buy" an animal. Our dogs and cats have all been rescues, and all have been spayed or neutered so as to reduce the number of feral animals. We restrain their movements only to keep them out of traffic and away from traps, poison bait, etc.

Friends of ours run a dog rescue organization. They take in dogs that would otherwise be killed because they are unwanted, or who were living in appalling conditions. They foster them while they get veterinary care, and are socialized if necessary. Then they are adopted out to carefully-screened homes.

I remember one in particular, "Bullet". He was a big, shaggy dog, an English Sheep Dog or similar. He was owned by a biker dude, and was kept chained to an outdoor doghouse all the time. He was filthy, skinny, and depressed: exactly the sort of inhumane conditions that you mentioned. Our friends knocked on the biker dude's door and asked if he would be willing to surrender the dog. I don't remember now if money changed hands, but he did give up the dog. They cleaned him up, got him proper vet care, had him neutered, then found him a loving home. He is so changed that he is almost unrecognizable as the same dog. He is beautiful and always wears a big smile. How can his life with his new family be called inhumane?
 
I don't disagree with you about breeding dogs. The practice is inhumane and is done for the purpose of exploitation.

But dogs exist, and keeping them doesn't have to be inhumane. Whether they are the products of "responsible" breeders, puppy-mills, of of natural procreation, they exist. Our human-oriented world is not a safe place for them, so they benefit from a loving, caring home.

We would never "buy" an animal. Our dogs and cats have all been rescues, and all have been spayed or neutered so as to reduce the number of feral animals. We restrain their movements only to keep them out of traffic and away from traps, poison bait, etc.

Friends of ours run a dog rescue organization. They take in dogs that would otherwise be killed because they are unwanted, or who were living in appalling conditions. They foster them while they get veterinary care, and are socialized if necessary. Then they are adopted out to carefully-screened homes.

I remember one in particular, "Bullet". He was a big, shaggy dog, an English Sheep Dog or similar. He was owned by a biker dude, and was kept chained to an outdoor doghouse all the time. He was filthy, skinny, and depressed: exactly the sort of inhumane conditions that you mentioned. Our friends knocked on the biker dude's door and asked if he would be willing to surrender the dog. I don't remember now if money changed hands, but he did give up the dog. They cleaned him up, got him proper vet care, had him neutered, then found him a loving home. He is so changed that he is almost unrecognizable as the same dog. He is beautiful and always wears a big smile. How can his life with his new family be called inhumane?
Sorry, but no. These sound exactly like the excuses people use to justify *****-in-vagina rape (PIV) because they don't want to blame the resulting rape baby for fear of creating a stigma. The entire pet industry is just a slightly less exploitative form of the livestock or dairy industries. We like to highlight the difference in intelligence between ourselves and dogs, as though that should make a difference. Dogs don't know the horrors they're being subjected to, because they grow up in servitude and have no concept of the possibility of a life without being born into bondage. Such is the same for all pets really- human intervention into nature creates tiers of freedom, because we want companionship under our own terms, or worse- think certain traits are "cute" and want to control them for our own gratification. Dogs, cats, birds, aquaria still do not control their own existence and are only as free as we allow them to be; indeed we still determine how they live and die, controlling their food and movement, and even their declining health and death (if it becomes too inconvenient for us).

What you've described is indeed slavery. Money did change hands at some point. You feel better about Bullet's fate under your friend's and your control, but someone still made him a slave for a good portion of his life, starting with violently raping his mother and then selling the resulting puppies.
 
Sorry, but no. These sound exactly like the excuses people use to justify *****-in-vagina rape (PIV) because they don't want to blame the resulting rape baby for fear of creating a stigma. The entire pet industry is just a slightly less exploitative form of the livestock or dairy industries. We like to highlight the difference in intelligence between ourselves and dogs, as though that should make a difference. Dogs don't know the horrors they're being subjected to, because they grow up in servitude and have no concept of the possibility of a life without being born into bondage. Such is the same for all pets really- human intervention into nature creates tiers of freedom, because we want companionship under our own terms, or worse- think certain traits are "cute" and want to control them for our own gratification. Dogs, cats, birds, aquaria still do not control their own existence and are only as free as we allow them to be; indeed we still determine how they live and die, controlling their food and movement, and even their declining health and death (if it becomes too inconvenient for us).

What you've described is indeed slavery. Money did change hands at some point. You feel better about Bullet's fate under your friend's and your control, but someone still made him a slave for a good portion of his life, starting with violently raping his mother and then selling the resulting puppies.
I see your point but it seems Bullet now has the best life he can expect to have under the circumstances. Do you think we should just put down rescue animals or set them free to roam around wildly?
 
You feel better about Bullet's fate under your friend's and your control, but someone still made him a slave for a good portion of his life, starting with violently raping his mother and then selling the resulting puppies.

Someone was inhumane to him in the past, granted. But you are saying that remedying that situation, giving him a good, happy life now, in the present, is also inhumane. That, I will never accept.
 
I see your point but it seems Bullet now has the best life he can expect to have under the circumstances. Do you think we should just put down rescue animals or set them free to roam around wildly?
No. The problem should be addressed at the source though. Stop raping animals and perpetuating the pet trade. The solution to too many abused or animals running around can be solved in 1-2 generations.
Someone was inhumane to him in the past, granted. But you are saying that remedying that situation, giving him a good, happy life now, in the present, is also inhumane. That, I will never accept.
Patting oneself on the back and proclaiming savior status does not fix the problem. Bullet's too dumb to know any better. You take pride in that.
 
No. The problem should be addressed at the source though. Stop raping animals and perpetuating the pet trade. The solution to too many abused or animals running around can be solved in 1-2 generations.

Patting oneself on the back and proclaiming savior status does not fix the problem. Bullet's too dumb to know any better. You take pride in that.
You haven't answered my questions. What do you think should be done with Bullet instead under the present circumstances. The past cannot be changed so stop idealizing and answer the existing issue.
 
You haven't answered my questions. What do you think should be done with Bullet instead under the present circumstances. The past cannot be changed so stop idealizing and answer the existing issue.
He should be allowed to make his own choices, as best he can. He's only known a life of subjugation and abuse. In Bullet's case, he was handed off from one situation where he was helpless, to another. So he should see as little human interaction as possible. I think a very, very large nature preserve, where he can count on veterinary care to heal his wounds and provide a basic amount of sustenance, is justified. He should be introduced to members of his own species, if safe. No more human-directed existence, no more PIV or keeping him as a shiny object.

Is that satisfactory?
 
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He should be allowed to make his own choices, as best he can. He's only known a life of subjugation and abuse. In Bullet's case, he was handed off from one situation where he was helpless, to another. So he should see as little human interaction as possible. I think a very, very large nature preserve, where he can count on veterinary care to heal his wounds and provide a basic amount of sustenance, is justified. He should be introduced to members of his own species, if safe. No more human-directed existence, no more PIV or keeping him as a shiny object.

Is that satisfactory?
If that is possible and safe for him then yes, I totally agree with you.
 
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If that is possible and safe for him then yes, I totally agree with you.
Of course it's possible. Humans have demonstrated it before. It's just a matter of will. We pick a species like tigers or pandas or spotted owls and say, "leave them alone". Giving kudos to ourselves for being sporadically kind to the Nature we've raped and pillaged, while we screw over animals in a daily capacity is the height of hypocrisy.
 
I have a beautiful French Bulldog and he wouldn’t hurt a soul. Only kisses and love from my lil baby cake. Hopefully you people don’t consider Frenchies “controversial“.
 
I have a beautiful French Bulldog and he wouldn’t hurt a soul. Only kisses and love from my lil baby cake. Hopefully you people don’t consider Frenchies “controversial“.
Well, they can't breed naturally, due to the numerous defects built into the breed by selective breeding. Also, they have breathing problems and are prone to seizures. This was all due to poor genetics and wanting to breed as many as possible. Yes, they're very cute, but your puppy is the result of someone abusing animals, starting with the person who raped the male by stealing his semen and then raping a female to produce as many puppies as possible. I don't know if you bought yours, but selling animals for pets is pretty low.
 
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