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Hello 👋,
Although my current situation doesn’t allow for it, I would love to adopt a rescued stray dog from Asia, in particular Nepal. I know there are already lots of rescue dogs in need here in the UK, and that bring dogs over from abroad can introduce foreign diseases to our canine population. However, I will say that at least the dogs over here get it better than many, many poor dogs do abroad. Also, I’m a Buddhist and big on Asia, and Nepal is the Buddha’s country, so that’s why. Also, the dog will be adopted from a proper rescue group/charity/centre/shelter, or taken in if I ever visit and find a dog in need that I can safely take in. Either way, they will be fully vaccinated and health-checked before coming over.
I am also uncomfortable with having to feed the dog meat, and would like a vegan dog. There are many vegan dog foods out there, as well as dogs who have done very well on vegan diets, such as Ooby the bulldog from Bitesize Vegan and Bramble, the border collie who was one of the world’s top five longest lived dogs. Also, a couple of people who are vegetarian/vegan whom I know don’t feed their dogs meat.
It is very controversial, with some calling it animal cruelty. Is it safe and healthy to feed dogs vegan? How should it be done? Is it legal under the Animal Welfare Act and the Five Welfare Needs in the UK? Also, what should I say to those who accuse me of animal cruelty because of it? How should I respond? I am very passionately against unnecessary animal cruelty and killing... Animal rights and animal rescue are some of my main passions...
Thank you 😊.
Keep well and safe in this time and always. Take the best care of yourselves possible and always be as kind and compassionate and vegan as you can...
Best Wishes to all,
Rory.
Have the best day and night ever!
 
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Hello 👋,
Although my current situation doesn’t allow for it, I would love to adopt a rescued stray dog from Asia, in particular Nepal. I know there are already lots of rescue dogs in need here in the UK, and that bring dogs over from abroad can introduce foreign diseases to our canine population. However, I will say that at least the dogs over here get it better than many, many poor dogs do abroad. Also, I’m a Buddhist and big on Asia, and Nepal is the Buddha’s country, so that’s why. Also, the dog will be adopted from a proper rescue group/charity/centre/shelter, or taken in if I ever visit and find a dog in need that I can safely take in. Either way, they will be fully vaccinated and health-checked before coming over.
I am also uncomfortable with having to feed the dog meat, and would like a vegan dog. There are many vegan dog foods out there, as well as dogs who have done very well on vegan diets, such as Ooby the bulldog from Bitesize Vegan and Bramble, the border collie who was one of the world’s top five longest lived dogs. Also, a couple of people who are vegetarian/vegan whom I know don’t feed their dogs meat.
It is very controversial, with some calling it animal cruelty. Is it safe and healthy to feed dogs vegan? How should it be done? Is it legal under the Animal Welfare Act and the Five Welfare Needs in the UK? Also, what should I say to those who accuse me of animal cruelty because of it? How should I respond? I am very passionately against unnecessary animal cruelty and killing... Animal rights and animal rescue are some of my main passions...
Thank you 😊.
Keep well and safe in this time and always. Take the best care of yourselves possible and always be as kind and compassionate and vegan as you can...
Best Wishes to all,
Rory.
Have the best day and night ever!


if you do a SEARCH on this forum for PET FOODS DOGS or under my profile you will find plenty information on this subject

The issue of you wanting to adopt from abroad i noticed....turns out adopting in the UK is harder than adopting from abroad so the uk destroy dogs rather than place them in considered unsuitable homes.

That said...the issue then is...what to feed this rescue dog you ask...well obviously....if you do not feed the dog VEGAN you are not saving any lives but killing many ...so why bother taking on a rescue dog ? oh for personal pleasure of having a pet reason of course...nothing unusual about that....but it is not about "saving lives" clearly if not fed vegan.

The question you ask about the legality of vegan pet foods astounds me....

You wrote...

" Is it legal under the Animal Welfare Act and the Five Welfare Needs in the UK? Also, what should I say to those who accuse me of animal cruelty because of it? "


I suggest you learn that the UK makes vegan pet foods for dogs and cats since over 13 years now...BENEVO is the uk also world wide exporter of the Queens Award to Industry manufacturer ...and actually any of the 20 world wide producers of vegan pet foods are of course also LEGAL to sell or buy in the uk.

You need to understand a very very important point about legality of pet foods and their nutritional suitability when sold publically...

The UK has LAWS like any country does...about what is allowed and not allowed as PET FOOD.

These laws...have standards for the nutrients needed for "species appropriate" by law contents in the pet foods.

Therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE that any of the publically sold vegan pet foods in the UK could be ILLEGAL under the ANIMAL WELFARE ACT laws lol

PLEASE see the common sense in this fact.

Do you think...that people could be openly publically awarded Queens Award for industry....or selling food in the UK to the public...without having to comply with food laws ???

For over 30 years...Vegan Pet foods have been sold in the world to the public...and not once had a recall.

The pet food government standards sure would have recalled them had dogs or cats become sick or died on them.

Thousands of cats and dogs have been made sick and died on animal content pet foods...raw pet foods the most...easy to see that publically on the UK government FSA Food Standards Authority website.


Never once...a case of a vegan pet food recall in the UK or anywhere in the world.


The other question you asked was ?

How do you reply to anyone who ignorantly accused you of "cruelty" for not killing animals bred by humans to feed your pet dog...

Ask for PROOF and substantiated peer reviewed reports by experts of any such cases.

Ask why the RSPCA have not removed the producers BENEVO the UK Queens Award for Industry vegan pet food manufacturer

Ask most importantly...what is not CRUEL about suffocating 40 million 1 day old male baby chicks or grinding them up alive every year to put into pet food making big money to the animal killing businesss.

Seriously....when anyone...mentions the word "Cruelty" then it is necessary to talk about "cruelty of killing animals" is it not ?

I am not interested ...in silly ignorant incorrect accusations by idiots about how me not killing bred by humans defenseless animals is in their stupid view "cruelty" when they refuse to mention the "cruelty to killed bred by humans animals" they are promoting the deaths of.

They no longer have any RIGHT to talk to me about CRUELTY when they are causing thousands of animals the cruelty of forcing death on them


Hope that answers you questions.

ps of course...i am a vegan...not a flexitarian...so as a vegan...i believe...that "animals are not ours to use" so the lives of forced to die farm animals are not my right to kill and use.
 

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ps here is a thread with information on the explained above issues.


Summary of reasons for feeding dogs cats ferrets readily available vegan pet foods that have been out for over 30 years without any recalls.

1. They have been sold publically with never any recalls, not one, never any published cases of sick or dead pets due to the foods for over 30 years now world wide.

There have been in contrast THOUSANDS of deaths and sick dogs and cats from proven caused by pet foods of non vegan content. In 2020...5 out of 7 recalls by the government pet food authorities were RAW pet foods.

Those FACTS are easily verifiable as the Government Food Authorities publish public notices of recalls of petfoods easily found by a simple google search and reproduced in many websites and online sources.


2. There are government pet food authorities who set the standards and control recalls of any lacking or causing serious health or death problems pet foods.

In the USA this is the FDA and the standard setters are AAFCO. In Europe this is the FEDIAF.

These are independant nutrition scientific experts...not earning from selling any pet foods but independant standard setters and controllers of pet foods.

3. All pet foods sold publically have by law to be "species appropriate" and by labels state if "complete" and for what life stages.

There are laws governing these issues and therefore it is totally incorrect to speak of vegan pet foods not being "species appropriate" as by LAW that is what they are if sold to the public.


4. There are many health benefits well documented from freeding vegan pet foods.

There are many prescription pet foods that since decades have been mostly vegan to cure many health problems in many dogs and cats.

Both those statements are easily verifiable by easy google searches and knowledge of what are in prescription pet foods and why. Many cats dogs have allergies to animal pet foods is a fact.

Many heart diseases are alleviated by feeding plant based foods.

5. Many not peer reviewed websites make erroneous statements about vegan pet foods.

One has to be aware of influences of the meat industry on those linked to earning from the pet foods they recommend.

TAURINE is a matter many seemingly knowledgeable websites get very wrong....and any review of the details on labels on pet foods of the TAURINE content would reveal that it is synthetic so vegan in all commercial cat foods so those claiming it is only found in meat and that vegan cat foods would make a cat go blind or die due to lack of taurine...are totally wrong...and have not understood the first point about PET FOOD LAWS controlling pet foods as well as the taurine nutrient source of all commercial cat foods.


Those are the NUTRITIONAL reasons for feeding cats and dogs vegan.


Now to the ETHICAL VEGAN reason.



6. Veganism means..."animals are not ours to use"

So breeding and killing animals is simply not vegan.



7. Cruelty...ethical not legal cruelty...is an important distinction.

One needs to realise...there is a difference between "cruelty" as defined by the LAW...for which animal welfare act laws exist...which allow killing of animals legally as not cruel as defined by the law...nor is vegan legal pet food "cruel" of course per the law.

The ETHICAL judgemental view of "cruelty" that sees as veganism does the breeding and killing of animals as "cruelty" is what vegans believe in ethically.

Therefore...there is a huge distinction between describing feeding an animal food as cruel as compared to killing an animal.

The 2 actions are totally incomparable i suggest. Anyone who thinks they are similar needs to re examine their ideas or explain why they would be similar.





Before anyone writes accusing anyone of "cruelty" and "forcing things on animals" again on this topic...

Can i ask..that ALL such comments.....include mention of the "cruelty" of "forcing death" on forced into existance as prisoners captive baby life stage animals owned by humans.

Describe...what "cruelty" is involved in putting food in a dish that an animal clearly thrives on and does not ever die of...compared to..the "cruelty" of force breeding animals and forcing them to die as babies ? i mean most killed animals are between 1 day old and a few months old when killed by humans...so far...there are 20 year old healthy vegan fed cats around and less old vegan fed dogs albeit Bramble famous example lived to age 25 similarly to her unrelated companion dogs.

There are legal definitions of what "cruelty" to animals is...and nowhere is pet food included as one of them.

Morally if not legally cruelty is surely killing baby animals ? if anyone does not think so...then explain that or admit one is not vegan if not believing this to be true.

Do people talking of "forcing things" on animals owned by humans think animals owned by humans that are slaughtered to willingly to their deaths ?

Do people talking of "forcing things on animals humans own" not think forcing death on these animals is not forcing them ?


My view....is that "animals are not ours to use"

So as baby chicks...lambs...turkeys...fish...are not ours to use...i have no right as a vegan to take their lives.

What is not mine...is not mine to take the life of.



i see no cruelty meaning suffering or death in 20 year old vet tested healthy vegan cats and vet tested healthy long lived vegan dogs. Bramble 25 years lived healthy vegan dog famous example is well known and several companions fed the same not related dogs lived similar long lives with Anne Heritage the owner.

Working Huskies scientific peer reviwed studies showed vegan fed working huskies out per formed the meat fed ones...and there is no breed needing more high quality energy than a working huskey.

That study as well as other PEER REVIEWED scientific studies on vegan diets for pet dogs and cats and reference to Little Tyke the famous vegetarian Lioness in the USA who never ate meat at all and never had any health issues due to diet are referenced in this website in particular of highly qualified international expert Dr Andrew Knight...

www.vegepets.com

PEER REVIEWED means not just individual vet or individual scientist views...but checked verified as independant valid conclusions by independant experts.



Andrew Knight BSc (Vet Biol), BVMS, CertAW, MANZCVS, DipECAWBM (AWSEL), DipACAW, PhD, FRCVS, PFHEA


Andrew Knight is a ridiculously busy bloke. He is Professor of Animal Welfare and Ethics, and Founding Director of the Centre for Animal Welfare, at the University of Winchester; a EBVS European and RCVS Veterinary Specialist in Animal Welfare Science, Ethics and Law; an American and New Zealand Veterinary Specialist in Animal Welfare; a Fellow of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons, and a Principal Fellow of the UK Higher Education Academy.

Andrew has over 65 academic publications and a series of YouTube videos on animal issues. These include an extensive series examining the contributions to human healthcare of animal experiments, which formed the basis for his 2010 PhD and his 2011 book The Costs and Benefits of Animal Experiments. Andrew’s other publications have examined the contributions of the livestock sector to climate change, vegetarian companion animal diets, the animal welfare standards of veterinarians, and the latest evidence about animal cognitive and related abilities, and the resultant moral implications. His informational websites include www.AnimalExperiments.info, www.HumaneLearning.info and www.VegePets.info