Militant veganism?

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I still think that's splitting hairs. What some vegans are saying is that there is something wrong with drinking milk once we are adults. However, clearly people do like to drink milk and the whole point of plant-based milks is to allow people to do that without getting it from an animal. Pretending that when we drink plant-sourced milks we are not doing the same as folk drinking animal-sourced milk is being tricky and dodgy.


Yes, and that's my argument as well - that there is nothing morally wrong with killing an animal when we must. However, many vegans decry any killing for food whatsoever - the basis for their argument is that killing is bad. But if tnat's so, then animals being killed to protect crops must also be bad. That means we are under some kind of duty to obtain foods that don't demand that much killing. Put another way, vegans twist themselves inside out not to buy and eat meat because animals are killed, but then completely wave away animals being killed for their food. That's the hypocrisy critics love to pounce on.


What I am saying is that it's no-one else's business what I choose to do, but if I am largely guided by vegan ethics, then I can surely describe my lifestyle as "vegan" in the context of a forum such as this. It's merely meant to suggest that I endorse and support vegan ethics, which I do.

These are the sort of posts that in My view create the impression that You are a troll @Graeme M
There is No way in my opinion that You are living a Vegan lifestyle! Perhaps you endorse “some” Vegan ethics, however You are Not practicing Vegan ethics - therefore You are Not living a Vegan lifestyle! Indeed it is no one else’s business what you choose to do - however calling yourself Vegan when you are not living a Vegan lifestyle is Misleading at best and downright lying in my opinion…
Without going back to previous posts of yours - if I remember correctly you eat eggs from your friend don’t you? That in and of itself clearly shows that you are Not living a Vegan lifestyle…
As I have said previously claiming to be Vegan whilst Not being Vegan is Very confusing for mainstream society - it creates the impression that perhaps “some” Vegans eat eggs or other Non- Vegan items - which is Not the case…
If indeed you are living an “almost” Vegan lifestyle that is better than being a Carnivore - however you are Not a Vegan…Moreover I don’t quite understand Why you would choose to claim to be a Vegan when you are Not?!?

As for Vegans drinking plant based mylk - So what! There is Nothing “tricky or dodgy” to use your words - about it! Most people who are now Vegan grew up drinking dairy milk - choosing to consume an alternative to dairy milk makes Complete sense! As a Vegan I do not drink dairy milk - however,
using an alternative means that I can create “Creamy” meals without cruelty! Duh!!

Yes - being Vegan means avoiding Cruelty as much as possible - which also means Not killing Animals! Which is something that you don’t seem to understand!
As a Vegan I would most definitely prefer that there were No animal deaths involved in the creation of the veggies and grains that I consume, but I do Not have control over the agricultural practices and if there are “some” inadvertent consequences in the production of What I eat it is Minimal compared to a Carnivore or Omnivore diet…

 

[Graeme M]

As for Vegans drinking plant based mylk - So what! There is Nothing “tricky or dodgy” to use your words - about it! Most people who are now Vegan grew up drinking dairy milk - choosing to consume an alternative to dairy milk makes Complete sense! As a Vegan I do not drink dairy milk - however,
using an alternative means that I can create “Creamy” meals without cruelty! Duh!!

I think you are choosing to misunderstand. I am not complaining that people drink plant-based milk alternatives - I drink soy milk myself. But the reason I do so is to prevent cows being exploited. It's nothing to do with what I should consume as an adult. So let's make that claim clear and not make up silly stories that are shown to be false. How can we say that drinking milk as an adult is wrong/weak/being a baby etc when we ourselves like to consume milk?

if I remember correctly you eat eggs from your friend don’t you?

Yes, and that's entirely consistent with the aims and principles of veganism. However it doesn't fit a strict interpretation of veganism which says vegans don't eat animal products. To me, that's irrational, but it's also why I don't call myself A vegan. However, my choices there are absolutely consistent with vegan principles.

being Vegan means avoiding Cruelty as much as possible - which also means Not killing Animals! Which is something that you don’t seem to understand!

I do understand that which is the point I am making and you are avoiding. There are not "some” inadvertent consequences in the production of plant-sourced foods. There are huge numbers of animals deliberately killed cruelly to produce those foods, none of which is "inadvertent". And that's a weakness in vegan advocacy. Why is there no attention given to those animals when vegans are excoriating non-vegans for causing harm and cruelty and death? You might like to pretend you cannot do anything, but you can and the fact you don't is a major failure of vegan principles in practice.