I agree - just because we have a choice, doesn't mean we automatically have to - as no one knows every option available to them: maybe animal product paths are more ethical and vegan ones are worse - or there's a better path out there that we don't know about - who are we to judge? We can't - so thus - we have 0 moral obligation to any of it. And another thing - just because there's a moral choice doesn't mean that those who don't are free from having to think and make one.Imagine having to fulfill a "moral obligation" to have children. What kind of upbringing would those children have? Certainly not a loving one!
this is why I personally decided not to have kids - because there are just so many children that aren't taken care of by their parents (including if they died) - that there's enough to go around to help out as your own child without having more. That said - these people aren't going to be vegan or turn vegan, because they were raised differently. I know this - because the people I take care of try to go vegan, but don't know how and do it incorrectly and give themselves an excuse to avoid it. Even if they try, their default is going to not be vegan, due to what they're used to and the fact that they have their own lives as grown adults and can choose whatever they want - so I'm starting to realize - since you brought it up - that raising someone else is irrelevant to having vegan kids to increase veganism in the world - as raising someone else's kid isn't going to work that way. It just puts the idea in their head with a little meal here and there.Almost 8 billion people on the planet. I can remember when people were freaking out about 4 billion.
Nobody needs to have children.
Nobody should have children unless they love kids.
The world has more than enough emotionally injured people walking around.
We shouldnt have many children, over population is one of the great problems affecting the world today. We should strive to have fewer children, and do more for them. Vegan parents dont necessarily give rise to vegan children, and most vegans today didnt grow up vegan. I eat vegan, and give my son also eats many vegan food, but I let him have whatever foods he chooses. He still eats meat and dairy sometimes, but he has a great appreciation of plant based foods, he enjoys no animals were harmed, he loves animals. I want it to be his own personal choice to be veganI disagree completely
NOT having children is one of the most environmental friendly decisions you can make.
Having kids just because they will be vegan does not reduce the number of non-vegan mouths in the world. It just increases the total number of mouths to be fed.
If you are going to have kids anyway, obviously raise them to be vegan. But don't have kids and try to justify it by saying they will be vegan. That helps no one.
I chose not to have kids because of the world population and the problem of sustainability. With the available resources being what they are, having no kids is best. If you are going to have kids,
I would disagree appart, only if it is both because you want kids and you will raise more vegans.it has to be because you want kids, not because you intend to raise more vegans.
My point was that raising more vegans helps no one. Raising fewer non-vegans is what helps the animals.I would disagree appart, only if it is both because you want kids and you will raise more vegans.
Interesting philosophy. Yes, having more vegans in the world does make sense. However, how about adoption? give a childI think this is an important discussion to have because many vegans, for reasons of their environmentalism, seem to be against having children. The fact is, if you don't have children, other people will. And their children will most likely not be vegans. And that means more animal suffering, more environmental devastation, and probably negative financial consequences for society (in the form of higher health care costs).
Alternatively, you have children. Sure, that might create some problems for the world... but ultimately, it's one way to bring more vegans into the world. And that has a range of different benefits:
1) More vegan voters ---> increased political strength of vegan movement ---> legislation to promote & spread veganism, subsidize meat alternatives, tax meat, etc
2) More vegan food consumers ---> increased consumer spending on vegan foods ---> increased corporate interest in producing vegan products that make it easier for non-vegans to go vegan
3) More vegans living in society ---> increased public exposure to vegan ideas through normal social interactions ---> more people decide to go vegan as they learn about it
4) More vegans in society ----> media companies produce media content to appeal to a vegan audience, which spreads veganism more rapidly through society
One argument against having children is that the children may decide not to be vegans. However, I think this is unlikely. Studies show children tend to have similar political views and dietary habits as their parents do... and veganism is obviously political and a dietary habit.
And if you are a committed vegan, you will have many opportunities while raising your kids to make sure they understand why veganism is important. You can have them watch a range of different documentaries and TV shows that provide a perspective that supports veganism like Cowspiracy, Dominion, Forks Over Knives, Speciesism: The Movie, Lucent, PlantPure Nation, ...etc. You can have them read and study books like The China Study, and look at the scientific research on websites like nutritionfacts.org explaining why animal products are so unhealthy.
Having children is a tremendous opportunity to change the world, and no vegan committed to changing the system should fail to seize that opportunity. The more the merrier.
That's sort of the same argument that we have with buying an animal vs rescuing an animal.Interesting philosophy. Yes, having more vegans in the world does make sense. However, how about adoption? give a child
or children a loving home and hope and pray they adopt veganism...