Random thoughts about Veg*nism, and wotnot.

[Blobbenstein]

Glastonbury Festival is held on a dairy farm(Worthy Farm), I suppose it still is a dairy farm.
I wonder if the fact that it is a dairy farm casts any darkness of the place, and if who ever runs the farm now(Michael Eavis?) could be persuaded to drop the dairy, and maybe do something else.....The site needs to have grass fields, I suppose, for the festival.

 

[Clueless Git]

I think the McMuffin would be a challenge, if that is the one with the poached egg.

I'm not sure Blobbers ...

Not hard to get tofu to resemble egg white and VeGG (vegan egg yolk replacer) stinks and tastes just as good/bad as the real thing.

 

[Clueless Git]

unless you lob a frozen veggieburger through a test centre window, you're not doing it right!

Hmmmm ...

Force feed a veggie burger to a vivisectionist and then lob him/her through a test centre window would be righter still?

 

[Blobbenstein]

I was walking down by the bypass where a badger had been killed by traffic, and the dead badger was near the middle of the road and fairly squashed, the whole area smelled of meat. There hadn't been time for it to rot, so it smelt of fairly fresh meat, and it struck me as ironic that the smell reminded my of the smell of cheese and milk. I think dairy has often reminded me of the smell of death, and it is actually the smell of meat.

 

[Blobbenstein]

I thought this could make a good badge/slogan:

 

[Moll Flanders]

I was watching the news the other day and there was a piece about a UK wildlife documentary and the presenter used a term like 'best loved' animals and one of the animals in the programme was badgers and I just thought how ironic that was.

 

[SummerRain]

On the Great British Bake off it mentioned the world's oldest recipe book (Forme Cury) - a book written by the kitchen that served Richard II in England, in 1390.

They mentioned in passing that since dairy milk went off quickly, almond milk was often used in its place in recipes. Who knew almond milk was that old? Not me anyway. I thought it was interesting.

 

[Dedalus]

My random thought is that this article sucks.

http://www.dailyiowan.com/2013/10/16/Metro/35195.html

From the UI Dietician for Student Health and Wellness:
“In terms of a vegan diet, I think it is very controversial over if it is a healthy lifestyle,” Daehler-Miller said, noting that vegan individuals are not getting certain nutrients and are instead taking supplements.

 

[PTree15]

Yikes, it's not well-written at all and really is mostly conjecture. The author didn't talk to enough people, that's for sure. The article didn't even give examples of sample entrees.
I know where I work they label things like "steamed broccoli" as vegan. Duh! Plus, there is nothing in that article that backs up what the dietician said. Sheesh.

 

[shyvas]

On the Great British Bake off it mentioned the world's oldest recipe book (Forme Cury) - a book written by the kitchen that served Richard II in England, in 1390.

They mentioned in passing that since dairy milk went off quickly, almond milk was often used in its place in recipes. Who knew almond milk was that old? Not me anyway. I thought it was interesting.

I remember reading about the fact that almond milk was used during the Middle ages.

http://medievalcookery.com/recipes/almondmilk.html

 

[Pirate]

On the Great British Bake off it mentioned the world's oldest recipe book (Forme Cury) - a book written by the kitchen that served Richard II in England, in 1390.

They mentioned in passing that since dairy milk went off quickly, almond milk was often used in its place in recipes. Who knew almond milk was that old? Not me anyway. I thought it was interesting.

I saw that! Was well impressed at that fact.

 

[Blobbenstein]

I thought the other day about ivory...people say that if you don't buy meat they will still have it in the shops, and animals will still be killed, so what difference does veg*nism make...well you could ask them if they would by a new item made with ivory.

 

[Clueless Git]

...people say that if you don't buy meat they will still have it in the shops ...

I'd ask such people to invest their life savings in my new chain of shops that specialise in stocking stuff no one buys.

They'll end up explaining to me why shops stocking stuff that no one buys is a totally dumbassed idea that way.

 

[prioritarian]

given their propensity and liking to be just as uncaring and polluting as the general population, certainly in regards to their personal transport.

This annoys the crap out of me. I've even thought about making a green vegan bingo card that pokes fun at AR vegan denial.

 

[flyingsnail]

I thought the other day about ivory...people say that if you don't buy meat they will still have it in the shops, and animals will still be killed, so what difference does veg*nism make...well you could ask them if they would by a new item made with ivory.

With the global market there is some truth to this, that is, just boycotting meat in your home country isn't going to stop its production because meat producers can just export it to another country. It is only with appropriate legal changes that the lives of animals will be improved and I think its clear that such legal changes will have to happen in baby steps.

I think of vegetarianism as a personal thing, as far as society as a whole goes I think advocating vegetarianism (and especially veganism) isn't an effective way to promote change.

 

[Blobbenstein]

but if meat is exported to another country that probably just means that less meat would be produced in that country.

 

[flyingsnail]

but if meat is exported to another country that probably just means that less meat would be produced in that country.

This would only be true if meat consumption was fixed in the importing countries, but that isn't the case. There are many developing countries with huge populations (India, China, etc) that have traditionally had low meat intakes that are increasing their intake and imports would allow a more rapid increase in consumption. Also some countries don't have the land mass or resources to raise enough animals to meet demand.

In any case, in today's world I think meat consumption is primarily a matter of culture. There have been a number of stable vegetarian populations which, I think, demonstrates that there is nothing intrinsic propelling people to eat meat.

 

[Blobbenstein]

but if the UK exports more meat to a foreign country then more meat would be produced in the UK. That I can't do anything about, but as I don't eat meat then that places less demand for meat. The same with ivory.

 

[Blobbenstein]

I read that China does buy UK pork, as they like the higher welfare standards, or something like that.

 

[flyingsnail]

but if the UK exports more meat to a foreign country then more meat would be produced in the UK. That I can't do anything about, but as I don't eat meat then that places less demand for meat.

But you can do something about it, you can promote legal changes that limit or eliminate the production of meat in the UK.

When an individual forgoes meat they'd only be reducing demand if demand for meat was fixed across the global, but there are a lot of people around the global that would prefer to eat more meat. I think ivory demonstrates this point, rather than conflict, it was only when the sale of ivory was banned in numerous nations that the situation improved. That is, it was legal changes that reduced the demand for ivory rather than individual boycotts.