Militant veganism?

[Graeme M]

But why do adult humans, who aren’t supposed to drink milk, need milk alternatives anyway? I think that’s the point @Graeme M is trying to make.

Yes. I'm not criticising people drinking alt milks, nor finding fault with alt milks. I'm saying that vegans should not make the "milk is for babies" argument when clearly vegan adults drink it too. They aren't drinking soy milk because it's a pleasant white liquid, they are drinking it as a direct substitute for actual milk. Why do adults need milk alternatives? Because people, weaned or not, like the taste of milk. It's nothing to do with being a baby. Using the "milk is for babies" argument exposes vegans to ridicule and reputational damage because it's a dumb argument. It would only fly if vegans set the example and didn't drink alt milks.

Anyway, I will leave this one alone now. In my original comment I was pointing out that there are many dumb vegan memes and arguments which I wish vegans wouldn't use. They make us look foolish. There is one argument only for veganism - that animals should not be regarded as property and used unfairly, and we should try to do otherwise whenever we can.

So @Graeme M how Did you defend the cause?

I repeated my comment here earlier. Here it is again:

"Veganism objects to our unfair use of other animals, so the goal is not to use products from animals when we can do that. But that doesn't mean we don't like the taste of milk or using milk in various forms, so like in other contexts it's worth developing alternatives that don't require animal use. In fact finding/developing alternatives is a central plank in vegan principles. Luckily from a production/consumption point of view, all vegans are doing is transferring demand from one kind of producer to another."

 

[1956]

Yes. I'm not criticising people drinking alt milks, nor finding fault with alt milks. I'm saying that vegans should not make the "milk is for babies" argument when clearly vegan adults drink it too. They aren't drinking soy milk because it's a pleasant white liquid, they are drinking it as a direct substitute for actual milk. Why do adults need milk alternatives? Because people, weaned or not, like the taste of milk. It's nothing to do with being a baby. Using the "milk is for babies" argument exposes vegans to ridicule and reputational damage because it's a dumb argument. It would only fly if vegans set the example and didn't drink alt milks.

Anyway, I will leave this one alone now. In my original comment I was pointing out that there are many dumb vegan memes and arguments which I wish vegans wouldn't use. They make us look foolish. There is one argument only for veganism - that animals should not be regarded as property and used unfairly, and we should try to do otherwise whenever we can.


I repeated my comment here earlier. Here it is again:

"Veganism objects to our unfair use of other animals, so the goal is not to use products from animals when we can do that. But that doesn't mean we don't like the taste of milk or using milk in various forms, so like in other contexts it's worth developing alternatives that don't require animal use. In fact finding/developing alternatives is a central plank in vegan principles. Luckily from a production/consumption point of view, all vegans are doing is transferring demand from one kind of producer to another."

For myself I don’t drink alternative milk because it tastes like milk - I doubt that it does! After 30 + years of not drinking dairy milk I haven’t a clue What it tastes like! I drink some soy mylk and mostly oat mylk because I like what It tastes like! For the taste that it gives to my coffee and how it creates lovely sauces… If alternative milk didn’t exist I would most definitely be content to exist without dairy milk… Contrary to what you said I Do drink alternative milk because it is “a pleasant white liquid” - not because it tastes like milk!

Milk is for babies - baby cows or whichever animal produced it… Alternative milk is for humans…
As for your comment that certain memes or arguments “make Us look foolish” remember as you have said You are Not a Vegan!

Your last paragraph is well stated! Although I would take exception to liking the taste of milk, I enjoy how alternatives Mimic the effect that dairy milk provides… That is a Big difference!