The war vs our lives

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It's difficult to live relatively happily knowing about war atrocities around the World. Not to mention that it's harder for us vegans when we care so much about other beings. My boyfriend is an AuDHD, heavily sensitive, anti-fascist person and I can see how compulsive watching of the videos about Palestinian children being killed, about people being tortured, is making him really depressed every day. I think that in my case meds are keeping me in a better condition despite feeling awful about what is happening.

What helps you live while hearing about those more and more horrible events? What could I do to help my love function with balance (less harmful thoughts)? I tell him to keep focusing on things he has control over and not agonizing over those he just can't stop directly. Maybe you know some effective ways to be a part of the fight against inhumanity but not sacrificing all your time and mental health at the same time?
 
That is a very interesting and challenging question and there are no easy answers as we all have different ways of dealing with this crazy thing called life.

I think one step is voting and that may sound silly but voting, even at the local level, school boards etc can make a difference on up the chain and may eventually lead to people at the top that care and will participate in trying to achieve a more peaceful world.

I also do things like send out healing and love, into the universe, and hopefully that reaches some and it makes me feel better. Donating, even a small amount can help and I try to watch youtube videos of people that are trying to make a difference as that supports them and encourages them to continue to shine light on the issues.

I try not to doom scroll too much although I do read at least the headlines of various news outlets so that I have a sense of what is happening.

I think of the butterfly effect and the "put on your mask before helping others" stories, that in order to be effective in bringing peace and happiness to others we must first choose peace and happiness for ourselves. Exuding peace and happiness and kindless and joy will effect everyone that is close to you and they will, in turn, effect the others around them and hopefully that will spread exponentially.

sending you both peace...

Emma JC
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That is a very interesting and challenging question and there are no easy answers as we all have different ways of dealing with this crazy thing called life.

I think one step is voting and that may sound silly but voting, even at the local level, school boards etc can make a difference on up the chain and may eventually lead to people at the top that care and will participate in trying to achieve a more peaceful world.

I also do things like send out healing and love, into the universe, and hopefully that reaches some and it makes me feel better. Donating, even a small amount can help and I try to watch youtube videos of people that are trying to make a difference as that supports them and encourages them to continue to shine light on the issues.

I try not to doom scroll too much although I do read at least the headlines of various news outlets so that I have a sense of what is happening.

I think of the butterfly effect and the "put on your mask before helping others" stories, that in order to be effective in bringing peace and happiness to others we must first choose peace and happiness for ourselves. Exuding peace and happiness and kindless and joy will effect everyone that is close to you and they will, in turn, effect the others around them and hopefully that will spread exponentially.

sending you both peace...

Emma JC
Find your vegan soulmate or just a friend. www.spiritualmatchmaking.com
Thank you for those kind and thoughtful words. It really is a tough issue and there's no one way to approach it but I guess I like to know that it's something people also deal with and have their own healthy philosophy. I view little actions as those that can make a difference and affect others as well 🙏 I understand my love's struggle. If he could, he would save all lives, I have no doubt. He's even started psychology studies to be able to help those around him 💚 But it's so exhausting to be caring about literally everything...
 
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This may be way out there for some.... you are duly warned.

I thought a lot, yesterday about your post and my response and another thought came to mind.

I was brought up in an evangelical family and then pulled away at a very early stage in my adult life and have read and investigated many many different philosophies. One of those, that brings me a great deal of comfort, is that we actually chose the life we would be born into complete with family and friends and circumstances we would be exposed to and the time period, of course. If we have multiple lifetimes (reincarnation) then we have lessons to learn as we go as do each of the people in the world and all of us have something to learn. Taking this a step further, we are spiritual beings having a human experience and this current life is not the be all and end all, just a step along the journey - a type of school if you will. How we learn and live here and now matters and maybe we won't have to learn these lessons again. If this has any validity then all of those that are suffering and all of those that are thriving are also on a similar journey through life and it is their journey and their choice. We can choose to help others, of course we should it is part of our lesson, however I don't think we should fall into despair because that then assumes that suffering is all encompassing. Most of us have had bad times/situations in our lives and yet even during those hard times we loved and were loved and learned about ourselves and others. How we act in good times and in tough times is such an important part. Be joyful and bring joy.

I often think of @shyvas and the complicated task of destringing pigeons that is very important for her, such an amazing thing to spend your time doing. It is not something that I have any interest in doing and yet I admire her dedication. We all have roles to play and things to do and we should not try to save the whole world, just influence that part of us that is accessible to us. Being brought up evangelical made me arrogant enough to think that I could save the whole world, when I was younger, and that mindset persisted for a very long time into my life. I had it let it go when I realized that I don't have all the answers or solutions for anyone else and can only work on myself and help others where and when I can.

Namaste.

Emma JC
Find your vegan soulmate or just a friend. www.spiritualmatchmaking.com
 
It's difficult to live relatively happily knowing about war atrocities around the World. Not to mention that it's harder for us vegans when we care so much about other beings. My boyfriend is an AuDHD, heavily sensitive, anti-fascist person and I can see how compulsive watching of the videos about Palestinian children being killed, about people being tortured, is making him really depressed every day. I think that in my case meds are keeping me in a better condition despite feeling awful about what is happening.

What helps you live while hearing about those more and more horrible events? What could I do to help my love function with balance (less harmful thoughts)? I tell him to keep focusing on things he has control over and not agonizing over those he just can't stop directly. Maybe you know some effective ways to be a part of the fight against inhumanity but not sacrificing all your time and mental health at the same time?
I have to avoid as much of that subject as possible along with anything else that can cause me a trauma. I do not have a television. I get the odd bit of news on Google Discover and you tube but not if I can help it.
I hope this might be helpful to you..
 
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I think it might help if you became active in groups that help these people. You could donate to groups like UNICEF, World Central Kitchen, or Doctors Without Borders. Maybe help with fundraisers for the affected people or animals. You could find groups that are petitioning their politicians to take action against the genocide in Gaza.

I think the depression comes from a feeling of helplessness toward the situation in the world. I think you need to feel like you are having an impact on making the world a better place.

As an example, I can't watch all of those videos of animal abuse, but I can donate to groups that advocate for animal rights.
 
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What helps me live is, NEVER to watch or listen to The News. I know all about these things. I am on your and your boyfriend's side, all the way. But as one elder friend told me in the past, "The time for tears is over! The time is for ACTION!" I write letters to voters, go to protests, and live my life as best I can. I share fun and helping out with my boyfriend and my women friends. I was born duing WWII, and I knew all about Hitler's Germany when I was three years old. I learned hatred then. At age 84, I no longer allow myself to be consumed with hatred. "God is love, and love it God." I believe this. I notice even the tiniest things that are working for me, all day long and all night, too.
 
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This is a very important topic that should be discussed publicly much more often!

I myself was a zionist for much of my life, from maybe around 1976 up to the Second Intifada, I am very sorry to admit today, so at least 25 years, more than the first half of my adult life.

Why? Simply because before that, I never really took the effort to educate myself on the very openly available information on the origins of the conflict.

When I say „around 1976“, that was when I first learned in primary school about concentration camps, and also when my grandfather for the first time showed me the graves of his parents and grandparents in the Vienna Central Cemetery. He himself had emigrated to Bolivia in 1935, and his sister had been on one of the „child transports“ to the UK in 1938, so those two survived WWII. Every other member of the family was murdered in places like Mauthausen or Auschwitz. While he was not my „real“ grandfather, but the second husband of my grandmother, who she married after the death of my mother’s biological father, he was the only grandfather I ever met and a very important person for me in my youth, and the first example of Jewish Faith I encountered. From this I always had a rather strong personal conviction about the horrors the Jewish people had to endure, which also shaped my understanding of Middle Eastern politics. I still remember my personal shock when my cousin visited a family function at some time in the 1980s wearing a keffiyeh, at the time known as „Arafat scarf“, maybe not so much as a genuine political symbol as as fashion accessory - ill advised, in my opinion of the time.

I can not say today at what point in time exactly I started to research the topic more myself, but then it became clear to me that the history of this conflict is not as black and white as I always had thought.

And today, it dismays me even more, because what I take from my grandfather’s story is that „NEVER AGAIN must mean NEVER AGAIN“, and what the Israeli government - not only that of Netanyahu, but also virtually every other Israeli government before them, to varying extents - has been doing in Palestine is exactly what is prescribed by „NEVER AGAIN“. Unfortunately, my grandfather already passed in the 1980s, as I would really have loved to get his input on this topic. I am not sure what he would be thinking about all this today, or whether I would like what he would think.

Since then, I have however, also read other stories. I remember a story I read - unfortunately, I have forgotten who recounted it, it might have been Hannah Ahrendt. That person mentioned that when they emigrated to Israel after the war, they were assigned a house to live in. When they first came to the house, they were surprised that the house was not empty, but full of things including cooked dishes in the kitchen. When they inquired about that, the person asigning the house to them said „Sure, those are leftovers from the Arab family we cast out“, to which they said that they could not live under such circumstances, and that they would not want to become perpetrators of a similar evil as had been visited upon them, and decided to return to Europe instead.

One of the most shocking things, however, is that - while everybody in Germany and other countries claimed after the war, that they had had no idea of the horrible things that were happening - we are nowadays incredibly well informed about what is happening in Gaza, in the last few years even whithout having to do any kind of research on the topic.

This tragedy - I do not want to get into a discussion whether it is „a real genocide“, or „just war crimes“ and an Apartheid system of injustice happening is televised in 4K resolution, but Western governments - with very few notable exceptions - are supporting and enabling it.

And even worse, when you ask „normal people“ (Jewish people) in Israel about it, it is very obvious that generations of brainwashing have had their effects, and about 75% of normal, otherwise supposedly modern, enlightened and democratic people, are happy with their government‘s policies or wish they should even be stepped up. The majority of them - even many of those self-identifying as „left-wing“ - simply do not see Palestinian/Arab people as humans. Yes, there are notable exceptions, like the journalists who produced the „Naza“ documentary, or conscientious objectors to the IDF, but they are few and they actually do face persecution themselves in Israel.

How will it ever be possible to get those people (Jewish Israelis) back into the fold of civilisation?

And what can we personally do to stop these horrors from continuing?

I can understand everybody who just wants this to „go away“ because it is too harrowing, and simply wants to block it out, like any of the other injustices occurring today, like the suffering in Sudan, but somebody has to do something…
 
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This is a very important topic that should be discussed publicly much more often!

I myself was a zionist for much of my life, from maybe around 1976 up to the Second Intifada, I am very sorry to admit today, so at least 25 years, more than the first half of my adult life.

Why? Simply because before that, I never really took the effort to educate myself on the very openly available information on the origins of the conflict.

When I say „around 1976“, that was when I first learned in primary school about concentration camps, and also when my grandfather for the first time showed me the graves of his parents and grandparents in the Vienna Central Cemetery. He himself had emigrated to Bolivia in 1935, and his sister had been on one of the „child transports“ to the UK in 1938, so those two survived WWII. Every other member of the family was murdered in places like Mauthausen or Auschwitz. While he was not my „real“ grandfather, but the second husband of my grandmother, who she married after the death of my mother’s biological father, he was the only grandfather I ever met and a very important person for me in my youth, and the first example of Jewish Faith I encountered. From this I always had a rather strong personal conviction about the horrors the Jewish people had to endure, which also shaped my understanding of Middle Eastern politics. I still remember my personal shock when my cousin visited a family function at some time in the 1980s wearing a keffiyeh, at the time known as „Arafat scarf“, maybe not so much as a genuine political symbol as as fashion accessory - ill advised, in my opinion of the time.

I can not say today at what point in time exactly I started to research the topic more myself, but then it became clear to me that the history of this conflict is not as black and white as I always had thought.

And today, it dismays me even more, because what I take from my grandfather’s story is that „NEVER AGAIN must mean NEVER AGAIN“, and what the Israeli government - not only that of Netanyahu, but also virtually every other Israeli government before them, to varying extents - has been doing in Palestine is exactly what is prescribed by „NEVER AGAIN“. Unfortunately, my grandfather already passed in the 1980s, as I would really have loved to get his input on this topic. I am not sure what he would be thinking about all this today, or whether I would like what he would think.

Since then, I have however, also read other stories. I remember a story I read - unfortunately, I have forgotten who recounted it, it might have been Hannah Ahrendt. That person mentioned that when they emigrated to Israel after the war, they were assigned a house to live in. When they first came to the house, they were surprised that the house was not empty, but full of things including cooked dishes in the kitchen. When they inquired about that, the person asigning the house to them said „Sure, those are leftovers from the Arab family we cast out“, to which they said that they could not live under such circumstances, and that they would not want to become perpetrators of a similar evil as had been visited upon them, and decided to return to Europe instead.

One of the most shocking things, however, is that - while everybody in Germany and other countries claimed after the war, that they had had no idea of the horrible things that were happening - we are nowadays incredibly well informed about what is happening in Gaza, in the last few years even whithout having to do any kind of research on the topic.

This tragedy - I do not want to get into a discussion whether it is „a real genocide“, or „just war crimes“ and an Apartheid system of injustice happening is televised in 4K resolution, but Western governments - with very few notable exceptions - are supporting and enabling it.

And even worse, when you ask „normal people“ (Jewish people) in Israel about it, it is very obvious that generations of brainwashing have had their effects, and about 75% of normal, otherwise supposedly modern, enlightened and democratic people, are happy with their government‘s policies or wish they should even be stepped up. The majority of them - even many of those self-identifying as „left-wing“ - simply do not see Palestinian/Arab people as humans. Yes, there are notable exceptions, like the journalists who produced the „Naza“ documentary, or conscientious objectors to the IDF, but they are few and they actually do face persecution themselves in Israel.

How will it ever be possible to get those people (Jewish Israelis) back into the fold of civilisation?

And what can we personally do to stop these horrors from continuing?

I can understand everybody who just wants this to „go away“ because it is too harrowing, and simply wants to block it out, like any of the other injustices occurring today, like the suffering in Sudan, but somebody has to do something…
Thank you @Andy_T for such a personal and thoughtful message…
What happened on October 7th was Horrific, but what has been happening ever since is almost worse because it is being perpetrated by supposedly democratic governments… Seeing the remains of Gaza is sickening and what is happening on the West Bank is disgraceful… A friend of mine who is 90 years old fled from Germany to the UK when she was a child - they were not Jewish - they were Germans who criticised hitler and were forced to flee…She too cannot understand how the government and some of the people of Israel can behave in the manner they do towards the Palestinians…
 
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Oh, I absolutely agree, what happened on October 7th was a horrible war crime.

One can both condemn that and what the Israeli government has been doing since then…

However, I also look at October 6th, October 5th, and every single day before that, when Israel was behaving like the evil occupying army that it is. As a matter of fact, 2023 had been the year with the most oppression since a long time, before October 7th happened.

Also, recognizing October 7th as a war crime should not distract us from the fact it looks very much as if the Netanyahu government was well aware it was going to happen beforehand and chose to let it happen in order to have an excuse to start their worst campaign of ethic cleansing and new land grabs.
 
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