Class society - how does it work?

Which social class do you belong to?

  • Upper class / corporate elite

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Upper middle class

    Votes: 2 20.0%
  • Middle class

    Votes: 1 10.0%
  • Lower middle class

    Votes: 2 20.0%
  • Working class

    Votes: 1 10.0%
  • Underclass

    Votes: 4 40.0%

  • Total voters
    10

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I've recently read a couple of interesting opinion pieces on social classes, and how we are clearly far away from a classless society, despite what some would like us to believe. It is one of the privileges of the elite to deny their own power and influence. Class society ensures that people in a particular social class stay where they are, i.e. social mobility is hindered. It's almost like an invisible hand. If you don't know the social codes and references, you're at a severe disadvantage.

So in your experience, what is social class and how does it work where you live? Have you ever "climbed the ladder", either upwards or downwards? Did you find it difficult?

Based on my reading, those in the upper middle classes are e.g. politicians, scientists, journalists, publishers, experts and managers. People who studied together, tend to their networks, live in the same neighbourhoods, marry each other and have children in the same schools. They are often "suburban cosmopolites". They live by an often unrecognized assumption that their world and their values ​​are everyone's. They set the agenda, define the issues, study measures, make decisions on behalf of the rest of us. They shop at certain stores (Whole Foods, etc). They don't smoke and they're into fitness. And windsurfing.

People in the working class read glossy magazines. They eat and drink unhealthy foods & drinks. They work in call centres and other low-wage retail and service jobs. Some do traditional blue-collar jobs such as in manufacturing and car factories. They may identify certain aspects of middle class culture as repulsive, such as self-importance, pretentious gestures, career positioning and climbing on top of others, selfishness, faking, correctness, calculated mingling and façade.
 
Id say Im working class, based on my Fathers working family History.(Manual labour)
But I dont read glossy mags or eat unhealthy, which is really their way of saying 'fast food'.
I think that description is getting itself confused with 'chavs'

Where Im from people from working class backgrounds are the most honest, hardest working people.
 
Does "glossy magazines" refer to a particular genre of magazines?

What if I sometimes shop at Whole Foods (only occasionally), sometimes eat unhealthy food, and read an assortment of magazines on an eReader?
 
Does "glossy magazines" refer to a particular genre of magazines?

What if I sometimes shop at Whole Foods (only occasionally), sometimes eat unhealthy food, and read an assortment of magazines on an eReader?
Gossip trashy tabloid type mags. The whole 'OMG a CELEB has FAT on dem...lets take close up pictures and laugh'
 
I think of upper class people as the type that I had to be polite to at some of my charity jobs, the sort of people with titles, Lords etc... People who usually approve of fox hunting and have braying laughs.:D Actually some of them were surprisingly sweet and humble.

My upbringing was middle class but my husband is definitely working class so I don't know what that makes me and I don't really care. I do like celeb magazines though. :p
 
I was brought up sort of lower middle class to middle class (in terms of the definitiion). But I have only been able to get the most menial jobs in adulthood and I am on a low income now (and I eat unhealthy at times too and read glossy magazines). But I dont believe in classes, I think they are a construct of people's minds.
 
My Dad went from upper middle class to corporate elite, after he married my step-mom, who went from working class to corporate elite. This was after I was grown myself. I feel I have dropped out of the class structure entirely, as I do not fit in anywhere. I live in Lovecraftian genteel poverty. I don't think Lovecraft really fit in anywhere either.
 
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My mum comes from a working class family but because middle class through education/career/blatant poshifying of accent. My dad was upper middle class, his family are dead posh.

Me? I'm not sure, I had a private education and went to a top university and have had every opportunity in life. But I dropped out of uni and I work in retail. I suppose a lot about the life I live is very stereotypically middle class though.
 
It is about how minds are constructed, yes.

Parents of different classes construct their childrens minds differently though.
Exactly. Some children don't get to see a lot of books or educational magazines in their house. Some children get to go on vacation trips to exotic places while others have to spend summer vacation at home. Some children learn not to give up, that spending time and energy on academic pursuits are worth the effort, that they can get ahead in life by hard mind-work. Some children learn good eating / food habits. Some learn the value of physical exercise. Some learn the value of keeping their rooms tidy. Some learn the value of saving money and how to spend money wisely. Some learn an impressive vocabulary and how to express themselves clearly and concisely.
 
Exactly. Some children don't get to see a lot of books or educational magazines in their house. Some children get to go on vacation trips to exotic places while others have to spend summer vacation at home. Some children learn not to give up, that spending time and energy on academic pursuits are worth the effort, that they can get ahead in life by hard mind-work. Some children learn good eating / food habits. Some learn the value of physical exercise. Some learn the value of keeping their rooms tidy. Some learn the value of saving money and how to spend money wisely. Some learn an impressive vocabulary and how to express themselves clearly and concisely.
And more Indian, much much more ..

As an apprentice welder I had to go to technology college. One of the tutors there was a socialist educationalist who took great joy in sharing secrets of private education with state educated boys.

Literaly, in just 2 seperate ten minute ad-hoc lectures he taught me everything I needed to know to escape a lifetime chained to a factory bench and to become appointed MD of the company I worked for by the age of 28.
 
I'm not quite sure what to make of my experiences. There are definite challenges regarding class, but there is certainly mobility for those who learn to play the game and, perhaps as important, have a desire to. I joined the military the second I was out of high school and, upon leaving the military (for the first time), headed to China, again completely on my own with no job prospects and nothing more than my own savings. While there, through freelance English teaching and translation, I became good friends with an extremely wealthy family, one of whom I ended up introducing to my own father because, well, she wanted an American and I'll leave it at that :p Through that relationship I often end up in social situations with all sorts of rich people in fancy restaurants, but despite having a very real opportunity to make something of it, I eventually found myself drawn back into the military.

So fast forward a few years... Between the military and the translation I do from time to time through my rich Chinese part of the family, the money I make probably puts me at middle class. I definitely work my *** off by choice though. I absolutely hate office environments and have no desire to be directly involved in business, yet I still have opportunities to experience, through family ties, the extremely rich side of society. If I wanted to climb that social ladder, it's right in front of me, and I created that ladder myself without any help from my own original social status. Yes, relationships are critical, but you don't necessarily have to be born with those relationships.

I think the biggest obstacle to people who actually want to climb the social ladder is their unwillingness to think outside of the box.

"If you keep your nose to the grindstone and work long, hard hours, you’re guaranteed to get one thing in return: Old. Hard work will not, in and of itself, assure a person of success." Robert J. Ringer, Winning Through Intimidation

So... I couldn't say which social group I belong to. I'm a soldier with a physically demanding job in a unit specializing in mountain warfare, I'm not rich but I have more than I need, and I have close friends/family way up in the corporate elite with whom I regularly socialize with and who are more than willing to help me out if I so desire, not with handouts or anything but with first pick on business opportunities if I decide to get into it. Other, I guess? If my girlfriend ever gets tired of me doing my Army thing, I suppose I might take a different path. But given the option, I'd rather get paid a little bit to run around playing in the mountains and blowing things up than a lot to sit on my *** being bored out of my mind.