Are pet stores ethical?

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My friend and I went to a pet store and they had goats and roosters outside. I pet and fed the goats, because I wanted to do an act of kindness and make them happy.

But I am wondering if it’s vegan. I know zoos aren’t ethical, just wasn’t sure about pet stores. My friend tried to explain that the people there are passionate and animals are captive bred, and that if they were to go back to the wild, they’d die, so captivity is all they know. I wasn’t sure whether to agree or counter that.
 
My friend and I went to a pet store and they had goats and roosters outside. I pet and fed the goats, because I wanted to do an act of kindness and make them happy.

But I am wondering if it’s vegan. I know zoos aren’t ethical, just wasn’t sure about pet stores. My friend tried to explain that the people there are passionate and animals are captive bred, and that if they were to go back to the wild, they’d die, so captivity is all they know. I wasn’t sure whether to agree or counter that.

That's the reason why animal sanctuaries exist. Shops that sell pets are not ethical. They simply exploit and sell unwanted animals.
 
My friend tried to explain that the people there are passionate and animals are captive bread, and that if they were to go back to the wild, they’d die, so captivity is all they know. I wasn’t sure whether to agree or counter that.
The animals at the pet store wouldn't exist in the first place if humans weren't breeding them. That's where the problem starts. We're basically creating these animals who are dependent on humans for survival, and then make a profit from it. That seems intuitively unethical to me, but you can probably analyse the scenario in greater detail and make a more convincing case.
 
Oh, I wouldn't feel guilty about that! You were neither breeding animals nor making a profit, just acting out of kindness.
Thank you. My friend did buy 1.00 food there for me to feed them with, so I hope that wasn’t me making a profit.
 
Thank you. My friend did buy 1.00 food there for me to feed them with, so I hope that wasn’t me making a profit.
Ah, I suppose that does help the shop make a profit. But strictly speaking, perhaps the "karma" would be on your friend since they paid, and $1 is a drop in the ocean. Another time, though, perhaps you'd go to a sanctuary instead.
 
My friend and I went to a pet store and they had goats and roosters outside. I pet and fed the goats, because I wanted to do an act of kindness and make them happy.

But I am wondering if it’s vegan. I know zoos aren’t ethical, just wasn’t sure about pet stores. My friend tried to explain that the people there are passionate and animals are captive bred, and that if they were to go back to the wild, they’d die, so captivity is all they know. I wasn’t sure whether to agree or counter that.
Some zoos do good work by breeding animals who are critically endangered in the wild. If the animals are happy and well-cared-for, and if at least some of the people seeing them up close start realizing that animals are feeling, thinking beings who deserve to be treated well, then even the ones who aren't endangered could benefit.

Having said that... it's worth noting that my above statement has TWO. BIG. "IF"s.

I won't buy any animal from a pet store, because much as I love animals, the responsibility of caring for one gives me pause- and I don't want that responsibility unless the animal theirself is going to benefit. So I just take in those who already exist. People are different about this: I know a couple who adopted an adult Dalmatian from a shelter who turned out to be a handful, although she was sweet. After this dog passed away a number of years later, they bought a black lab from a breeder as a pup, training him from the beginning.

If (there's another "if") someone has already decided they don't want to adopt from a shelter, and don't dump the animal they bought, who was effectively bred for them... maybe they're not exactly making the homeless pet problem any worse. But it's not for me. In addition to this, I don't see animals as commodities or possessions in the first place.
 
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There are pet stores that sell animals, and others that work with rescue groups and fosters and sell supplies.
I worked with a rescue and would take some cats on weekends to show. They vetted everyone, and all cats were adopted with vaccinations and either fixed or a mandated date if too young. They kept records. Now none go out without being chipped
 
There are pet stores that sell animals, and others that work with rescue groups and fosters and sell supplies.
I worked with a rescue and would take some cats on weekends to show. They vetted everyone, and all cats were adopted with vaccinations and either fixed or a mandated date if too young. They kept records. Now none go out without being chipped
i'm glad you worked with a rescue. it sounds like it was a great experience for you!

Now, are vegans allowed to adopt from animal shelters, or are they like pet stores? I have a cat I got from my uncle years ago. I don't think he was a rescue nor am I sure of where he was prior to living with my uncle.
 
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@wildr0se2 I'm pretty sure most vegans are okay with adopting an animal from a shelter. Shelters frequently even have vegan animals you can adopt. I adopted my hamster Dory; my rabbits Sony, Hans, and Franz; and my gerbils Mama, Leia, Jitterbug, Jaime, and Lindsay from local shelters. Alternatively, there are specialty rescue groups (such as the House Rabbit Society) from whom someone can adopt animals.
 
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There are plenty of pet stores that sell food, toys, and similar products so that humans can properly care for their pets. This is a necessary and ethical activity. One near us collects donations for rescue groups, and sometimes displays rescued animals that are available for adoption from those groups.

I do not like pet stores that sell animals. That is exploitation, and I do not consider that ethical. The animals are bought from breeders, or, in the case of exotic animals, are sometimes obtained from people who capture them in the wild.

We have four cats, three of them rescued from feral colonies, and one rescued from being a stray.
 
@wildr0se2 I'm pretty sure most vegans are okay with adopting an animal from a shelter. Shelters frequently even have vegan animals you can adopt. I adopted my hamster Dory; my rabbits Sony, Hans, and Franz; and my gerbils Mama, Leia, Jitterbug, Jaime, and Lindsay from local shelters. Alternatively, there are specialty rescue groups (such as the House Rabbit Society) from whom someone can adopt animals.

Indeed! All of my friends' dogs come from rescues that are abroad; mainly Romania, Hungary and Bosnia. One pal has 9 dogs, another has 7 and they dogs are all so very happy.
 
That's the reason why animal sanctuaries exist. Shops that sell pets are not ethical. They simply exploit and sell unwanted animals.
Coming back to this a year later with another question: since the animals at pet stores/animals that are bred are considered unwanted, what happens to them if people don't buy them? I often think about how unpleasant it must be for them to be in a pet store, and some facilities euthanize unwanted animals, right? I think it's just those poor animals didn't ask to be born, so I think to myself "don't they need a home too?"
 
Coming back to this a year later with another question: since the animals at pet stores/animals that are bred are considered unwanted, what happens to them if people don't buy them? I often think about how unpleasant it must be for them to be in a pet store, and some facilities euthanize unwanted animals, right? I think it's just those poor animals didn't ask to be born, so I think to myself "don't they need a home too?"
My honest answer would have to be "I don't know," but your question inspired me do some typing. I have never worked for a pet store or had any involvement with the pet trade, but you can find some testimony from those who have. I also know the Internet can contain "questionable" material, but I found these threads interesting, though I can't vouch for their accuracy:

What do they do with unsold pets in pet stores?
What happens to the unsold pets when a pet shop closes?
Don't buy pet store puppies (this one argues that you shouldn't try to "rescue" puppies from pet stores)
What happens to unsold cats?
What do pet stores do with unsold animals?

So far, the threads I've found have claimed that animal euthanasia in the pet trade is rare, though it does happen. As expected, the answer contains a big dose of "it depends." Variables such as the type of animal, the local laws, the disposition of the supplier, the situation, etc., all play into the fate of pet store animals. Some have claimed that pet stores have no trouble selling 99% of their animals. An animal's ultimate fate then seems to balance more on the ethics of purchasers. So, even if sold, an animal's troubles may have just begun. Are the purchasers buying the animal for the right reason? Is the animal seen more as "a toy?" If sold to a child, will the child's parents monitor how the child treats the animal? How will people train the animal to become an "appropriate" household member? I have personally known people to do things to their pets that I considered outright barbarous in the name of "domestication." It was shocking. I will admit to making a few careless and foolish mistakes myself in the distant past either out of lack of knowledge or sheer obliviousness, but I was also very young when these occurred. I still feel terrible about them. The things I mentioned above were done by adults who I thought should have known better, yet I considered them generally good people. But they were also doing "recommended" practices. I found the situations revolting. Given that, I often worry more about animals living in human homes than animals in pet stores.

Though I understand why people have pets, and I do live with a rescue bird, I overall don't agree with the whole concept of "pet." It does feel exploitative, unfair to the animal, and insensitive. Of course what does one do with animals bred for captivity who couldn't survive in the wild? That ship has unfortunately sailed and would take some effort to undo. So one hopes that people who acquire animals as housemates do so with the animal, and not their own entertainment or gratification, clearly in mind. Though, as I've said, I've seen perfectly decent people do things that I consider awful to their pets. So one can hope that compassion prevails.

Given the situation, supporting no-kill rescues or animal sanctuaries seem like good options.
 
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