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The one thing you hear about with Mandela is forgiving his enemies. Yet the media and government never tell us we should forgive our enemies. Is it a good thing or bad thing to forgive our enemies?
The one thing you hear about with Mandela is forgiving his enemies. Yet the media and government never tell us we should forgive our enemies. Is it a good thing or bad thing to forgive our enemies?
Indeed, it is the one thing they say about Mandela in the media. Everything else is pure imagination.The one thing you hear about with Mandela is forgiving his enemies.
Yet the media and government never tell us we should forgive our enemies. Is it a good thing or bad thing to forgive our enemies?
Never, huh? That's pretty sweeping. You gonna ask for references? How about reparations from countries after wars? Ever heard of the Marshall Plan? Don't many western countries work wit and do trade with eastern countries who they used to avoid/war with? Et cetera?
We certainly weren't taught to forgive bin Laden after his alleged involvement in 9/11. We did just the opposite;we bombed the country that was harboring him.Indeed, it is the one thing they say about Mandela in the media. Everything else is pure imagination.
Never, huh? That's pretty sweeping. You gonna ask for references? How about reparations from countries after wars? Ever heard of the Marshall Plan? Don't many western countries work wit and do trade with eastern countries who they used to avoid/war with? Et cetera?
We destroyed Germany's economy, ethnically cleansed maybe 15 million Germans from Eastern Europe(supported by the United States), and starved their citizens for years after the war(Germans were fed on average around 1,100 calories in 1947). It sure sounds like we forgave them.
Let's see what your trustable Wikipedia has to say:Have you ever talked to an actual German about this? I know many Germans, including many Fluechtling (refugees from the East), and the Fluechtling left to escape the Russians. They weren't "ethnically cleansed", not by their own lights. There also was no starvation going on after WWII. After WWI, it was a different matter; inflation was so rampant that people couldn't afford food, and they would come from the cities to beg food directly from the farmers.
Let's see what your trustable Wikipedia has to say:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgenthau_Plan#Food_policy
In Germany shortage of food was an acute problem, according to Alan S. Milward in 1946–47 the average kilocalorie intake per day was only 1,080, an amount insufficient for long-term health.[76][page needed] Other sources state that the kilocalorie intake in those years varied between as low as 1,000 and 1,500. William Clayton reported to Washington that "millions of people are slowly starving."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944–50)
Call it what you want, but it was brutal and a lot of people suffered. There's never been a single instance that I can recall where the government or media has endorsed us to "forgive our enemies". It seems very hypocritical to me that we would constantly praise Mandela for forgiving the enemy but not do it ourselves. What else is new?
When a person completely re-writes history, I will say something. Otherwise, I have little to add to this thread at this point.Do you ever try to be happy or agreeable about anything?
You haven't really added anything to it yet, have you? You're illustrating that you like to be angry and objectionable, in a memorial thread of all places. The little snippets that you randomly find on the internet are incongruent in the setting and even among each other - more like confetti than discussion. You must understand why others get so puzzled, don't you?When a person completely re-writes history, I will say something. Otherwise, I have little to add to this thread at this point.
A few dozen people represents an entire nation. Seems logical. Germany's economy was in ruins. They depended on the Allies for their food. You can actually keep track of how many calories they were being fed. As expected you have no source.
Personally I do a lot of reading. I read all sides to a story and draw my own conclusion. For basically every argument I've had on Veggieboards or Veggieviews, I know I'm right. Even if you're correct about others ignoring me, all that matters is I know I'm right(and I do). I never came here for any popularity contest.
Another question:are you male or female? It's always been males I've had big problems with on message boards. I'd like to know if this trend is continuing. Nigel sounds like they would be a male.
Oh, for crying out loud. I had several dozen family members who lived through WWII and its aftermath in Germany, we were a poor family, and no one starved after WWII. I apologize that I didn't get affidavits from them about how many calories they ate per day, but then, they didn't have the foresight to keep calorie logs for you either, I suspect. That's why I asked you whether you had ever talked to any actual Germans.
Germans have never had to be "fed" anything. Like most of us who are adults, we feed ourselves.
BTW, the reason there are only a couple of people who argue with you is that most people just ignore your posts.
You obviously can't tell a person's emotions based off of some posts on a message board. If you actually knew me, you'd be surprised at how calm I am in real life. There are two people I generally argue with on this board:Mischief and Nigel. As far as these others that are puzzled, I have no idea what you're talking about. For the time being, I'll just have to wait for Mischief to show these good sources that claim Germans were fed even close to 2,000 calories per day in 1947. My gut feeling is it will never come.
Thanks, Envy (I gather it was you?) for separating this out from the Mandela memorial thread.