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Ive done a reasonable amount of research on this topic and Im pretty sure the general answer is:
Dogs - Can thrive on a vegan diet with Vet supervision and dont have any need for a prescription diet.
Cats - Not a good idea

whatever "research" you have done is not provided in any links...however...i like others researched what qualified people wrote and have seen and have healthy vegan cats.

animals are not ours to use is an additional issue...it is simply not vegan to breed and kill animals to use.

www.vegepets.com is science.

Andrew Knight BSc (Vet Biol), BVMS, CertAW, MANZCVS, DipECAWBM (AWSEL), DipACAW, PhD, FRCVS, SFHEA

Andrew Knight is a ridiculously busy bloke. He is Professor of Animal Welfare and Ethics, and Founding Director of the Centre for Animal Welfare, at the University of Winchester; a EBVS European and RCVS Veterinary Specialist in Animal Welfare Science, Ethics and Law; an American and New Zealand Veterinary Specialist in Animal Welfare; a Fellow of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons, and a Senior Fellow of the UK Higher Education Academy.

Andrew has over 65 academic publications and a series of YouTube videos on animal issues. These include an extensive series examining the contributions to human healthcare of animal experiments, which formed the basis for his 2010 PhD and his 2011 book The Costs and Benefits of Animal Experiments. Andrew’s other publications have examined the contributions of the livestock sector to climate change, vegetarian companion animal diets, the animal welfare standards of veterinarians, and the latest evidence about animal cognitive and related abilities, and the resultant moral implications. His informational websites include www.AnimalExperiments.info,www.HumaneLearning.info and www.VegePets.info.
 
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That's fair, I didnt supply any links largely because I got this information from asking around from the local veterinarians in my area (I was trying to get my doggo on a kidney friendly vegan diet) and that was the overall opinion of the three people I spoke to. So, you know, personal allegory. Not the best use in a debate setting. Its also fair to note that I dont own a cat. This was just them telling me "dont do that with a cat" And of course Im not looking to argue. I mean, as a vegan I genuinely do WANT cats to be healthy on a vegan diet, it would clear up ethics for owners and keep cats healthy too.
Im not doubting this Andrew Knights accreditation, but is there any overall consensus outside of these few individuals?
I did take a look at the vegepets website and the only concern I really have with it is that there is the possibility that these may be sponsored by some of the brands they are recommending. Of course that can happen (and often does) happen with carnist pet food recommendation websites. I certainly HOPE that cats can be on a vegan diet but also like...capitalism.
 

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That's fair, I didnt supply any links largely because I got this information from asking around from the local veterinarians in my area (I was trying to get my doggo on a kidney friendly vegan diet) and that was the overall opinion of the three people I spoke to. So, you know, personal allegory. Not the best use in a debate setting. Its also fair to note that I dont own a cat. This was just them telling me "dont do that with a cat" And of course Im not looking to argue. I mean, as a vegan I genuinely do WANT cats to be healthy on a vegan diet, it would clear up ethics for owners and keep cats healthy too.
Im not doubting this Andrew Knights accreditation, but is there any overall consensus outside of these few individuals?
I did take a look at the vegepets website and the only concern I really have with it is that there is the possibility that these may be sponsored by some of the brands they are recommending. Of course that can happen (and often does) happen with carnist pet food recommendation websites. I certainly HOPE that cats can be on a vegan diet but also like...capitalism.
The scientific reports he has done are not sponsored by any business. Certainly not pet food makers ...the point is valid as of course many fake reports are funded by the meat and dairy industry but it is possible to see this usually as published scientific reports of valid nature always quote their fund sources.

He and many other experts have made it therefore clear...there is evidence that satisfied the scientific reviews done that cats and dogs thrive on vegan diets.

The best example of the working huskey dogs that performed superbly on their vegan diets was good enough for the scientists.

So there was no sponsoring by pet food makers of the research to reply to that important point.

The fact that vegan cats exist and live 20 years old in the case of cats and the Bramble dog with her companions unrelated dogs also lived in the case of Bramble long healthy lives to the age of 25 years old. In the days when Anne Heritage who wrote a book on the dog did not have uk produced vegan ready made commercial dog food available to her....the usa have been producing and selling vegan dog and cat foods for over 35 years now.

If there had been ANY recalls the world would have picked up on it.

If there had been ANY evidence of unhealthy dogs and cats the world would have picked up on it....the meat industry is very powerful....would fund any reports with evidence of that if it had been posssible.

It has not been. There have been NO RECALLS ever of any vegan pet foods.

The recent FDA 5 year report on DCM disease....a heart disease that the rumours were saying was caused by lentils and legumes replacing animal protein in many pet foods....found the opposite....if any correlation other than BREED high risk genetic causes there was only a correlation of DCM with GRAIN FREE and RAW diets.

Hope all that extra info helps.

ps i do add....vets do not get much "nutrition" education in their training. Similar problem for human doctors of course.

That they are unaware of the existence and science of pet foods is therefore understandable.

They even do not realise often many of them that TAURINE is synthetic so vegan in ALL CAT FOODS since the 1970's but liberally spout..."cats need taurine only obtained in meat" which is a very incorrect ignorant comment to make...but see point about their education.

I give example of how they just do not read....i have taken my vegan fed cat to several vets for vaccines and sterilisation of course

All of them anti vegan cat food statements made. All of them examined her...tested her heart lol...did blood tests at my demand i add...one said....why do a blood test ? we only do them if an animal is sick !

I replied....so my cat is not sick then ? so why are you saying her vegan diet is unhealthy for her ?

After the insisted by me blood test....i saw him go online to read up on the uk veggipets website the contents of her vegan cat food lol

All vegan cat owners get the same reactions initially....it takes years for the vets to then say....as has been the case....that cat is superb on blood test results it is extraordinary.
 
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I think its a very good point that if there had been any recalls or deaths directly attributed to vegan pet foods we would never hear the end of it. I hadnt thought about that actually. Thanks for the info!
 
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Additionally...

Just off reading how CATS ALLERGIES were cured on vegan diets.

The most common food allergy of cats is to CHICKEN.

The vet prescription to cure allergies diets for cats are actually using PEAS as alternative to meat protein.

Peas and potatos are the LEAST allergy causing foods to cats.

Amazing hey !

There are cats allergic to ALL MEATS even....fact....as there are also dogs. All of those THRIVE obviously on their meatless diets.

Vecado Canada https://vecado.ca/pages/cats101




The BEST most informative website of any world wide distributor supplier of Vegan Pet foods is ? VECADO of Canada ! their website is a marvelous source of all sorts of useful information. Anna Vecado
CANADA supplier of many brands including EVOLUTION are VECADO.
Vecado Canada https://vecado.ca/

List of 17 Manufacturer Brands Made.(as at June 2019)

Some do just dog some just cat some puppies some kitten some wet some dry so check species lists below.

1 Ami Italy http://www.amipetfood.com/en
2 V-Dog USA https://v-dog.com/
3 Evolution USA http://www.petfoodshop.com/where-to-buy/
4 Benevo Britain http://www.benevo.com/
5 Ketun USA http://ketunpet.com/
6 Veggieanimals Spain https://www.veggieanimals.com/
7 Compassion Circle USA https://compassioncircle.com/
8 Veganpet Australia https://veganpet.com.au/
9. Vegusto Switzerland https://www.vegusto.ch/product_details/103 WET

10. Vitaveg Italy https://vitaveg.pet/ WET and DRY

11. Herrmann Germany… Germany distributor Fulda also supplies various brands in Europe, Fulda. extra brands like Greta, Bubeck, Green Veggiedog, Fitness, Herrmann, Vegdog etc

WET for Herrmann, WET and DRY for various others.

12. Vegdog Germany DE Supplement for home made Dog food, and Adult and Senior and Sensitive Dogs, and Wet and Dry ready made. https://vegdog.de/

13 to 17…. Greta, Bubeck, Green Veggiedog, Fitness. Terra Purra (Terra Purra is dogs and cats wet) Germany.

There are 2 Supplement powders for Home Made Recipes.

1. Compassion Circle of the USA for both Dogs and Cats Puppies and Kittens. https://compassioncircle.com/

2. Vegdog of Germany https://vegdog.de/ for Dogs. Adults.

DOGS Wet is done by 9 companies:...1. Evolution (USA) , 2. Benevo (UK) , 3. Vegusto (CH Switzerland) , 4. Vitaveg (IT Italy) , 5. Herrmann (DE Germany), 6. Terra Purra (DE Germany) and of course 7. Veganpet (AU Australia) 8. Compassion Circle (USA) recipes for home made is for Wet mostly using their supplement powders and 9.Vegdog (DE Germany) do Wet tinned as well as supplement powder for home made of Vegdog

.
DOGS Dry is done by...9 companies: 1. Evolution (USA), 2. Benevo (UK), 3. Ami (IT Italy), 4. Veggieanimals (ES Spain), 5. Veganpet (AU Australia) , 6. Ketun (USA), 7. Vitaveg (IT Italy) , and of course 8. Compassion Circle (USA) provide recipes for Dry Home made using their supplement powders, and 9. Vegdog (DE Germany) supplement powder for home made of Vegdog.

CATS Wet: is done by...8 companies 1.Evolution (USA), 2. Benevo (UK), 3. Vegusto (CH Switzerland) , 4. Vitaveg (IT Italy) , 5. Herrmann (DE Germany), 6.Terra Purra (DE Germany) and of course 7. Veganpet (AU) Australia. 8. Compassion Circle (USA) recipes for home made is for Wet mostly using their supplement powders.

CATS:Dry: is done by... 7 companies 1.Evolution (USA), 2. Benevo (UK), 3. Vitaveg (IT Italy) , 4. AMI (IT Italy, 5.VeggieAnimals (ES Spain) 6. Veganpet (AU Australia) and of course 7. Compassion Circle (USA) recipes for home made is for Wet mostly using their supplement powders.

Vegan Cat foods and Manufacturer Supplier Website links:

ADULT CATS:

1 Ami Italy http://www.amipetfood.com/en
2 Evolution USA http://www.petfoodshop.com/where-to-buy/
3 Benevo Britain http://www.benevo.com/
4 Veggieanimals Spain https://www.veggieanimals.com/
5 Compassion Circle USA https://compassioncircle.com/
6.Veganpet Australia. https://veganpet.com.au/

KITTENS:

1 Evolution USA http://www.petfoodshop.com/where-to-buy/
2 Compassion Circle USA https://compassioncircle.com/
3.Veganpet Australia. https://veganpet.com.au/

Extras: for ADULTS until i check if for kittens too...
7. Vegusto Switzerland https://www.vegusto.ch/product_details/103 WET

8. Vitaveg Italy. https://vitaveg.pet/

https://vitaveg.pet/product/wet-pet-food-cat-big-can/ WET and DRY

9. Herrmann Germany
https://www.futterservice-fulda.de/…/herrmann-s-fleischlos-…

10 Terra Purra Germany. Wet (dogs and cats)
WET

CATS Wet: is done by...8 companies 1.Evolution (USA), 2. Benevo (UK), 3. Vegusto (CH Switzerland) , 4. Vitaveg (IT Italy) , 5. Herrmann (DE Germany), 6.Terra Purra (DE Germany) and of course 7. Veganpet (AU) Australia. 8. Compassion Circle (USA) recipes for home made is for Wet mostly using their supplement powders.

CATS:Dry: is done by... 7 companies 1.Evolution (USA), 2. Benevo (UK), 3. Vitaveg (IT Italy) , 4. AMI (IT Italy, 5.VeggieAnimals (ES Spain) 6. Veganpet (AU Australia) and of course 7. Compassion Circle (USA) recipes for home made is for Wet mostly using their supplement powders.

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For EUROPE Compassion Circle suppliers of VEGEYEAST VEGECAT/VEGEDOG and VEGEKIT/VEGEPUP, and supplements of VEGDOG etc are in the Netherlands Vegavriend
who sell ready made vegan pet foods also.
EVOLUTION, Ami and Benevo.
https://www.vegavriend.nl/c-4674916/compleet/

There is 1 producer of cat and kitten Supplement powders for Home Made Recipes.

1. Compassion Circle of the USA for both Dogs and Cats Puppies and Kittens. https://compassioncircle.com/

Germany distributor Fulda also supplies various brands in Europe, Fulda. extra brands like Greta, Bubeck, Vegdog, Green Veggiedog, Fitness etc not looked at if for cats too.

https://www.futterservice-fulda.de/schnellbestellung
UK Manufacturer and Distributor of various brands but not vegeyeast or vegecat etc supplements or Evolution and manufacturer of British Brand sold world wide "Benevo" is www.veggiepets.com
CANADA supplier of many brands including EVOLUTION are VECADO.
Vecado Canada https://vecado.ca/

Vegan Dog foods and Manufacturer Supplier Website links:

ADULT DOGS:

1 Ami Italy http://www.amipetfood.com/en
2 V-Dog USA https://v-dog.com/
3 Evolution USA http://www.petfoodshop.com/where-to-buy/
4 Benevo Britain http://www.benevo.com/
5 Ketun USA http://ketunpet.com/
6 Veggieanimals Spain https://www.veggieanimals.com/
7 Compassion Circle USA https://compassioncircle.com/
8 Veganpet Australia https://veganpet.com.au/

PUPPIES:

1 Ami Italy http://www.amipetfood.com/en
2 Evolution USA http://www.petfoodshop.com/where-to-buy/
3 Benevo Britain http://www.benevo.com/
4 Ketun USA http://ketunpet.com/
5 Compassion Circle USA https://compassioncircle.com/
6 Veganpet Australia https://veganpet.com.au/

Extras: for ADULTS until i check if for puppies too.

9. Vegusto Switzerland https://www.vegusto.ch/product_details/104/de WET

10. Vitaveg Italy
https://vitaveg.pet/product/dog-croquettes/?lang=en WET and DRY

11. Herrmann Germany… Germany distributor Fulda also supplies various brands in Europe, Fulda. extra brands like Greta, Bubeck, Green Veggiedog, Fitness, Herrmann, Vegdog etc

WET for Herrmann, WET and DRY for various others.

12. Vegdog Germany DE Supplement for home made Dog food, and Adult and Senior Dogs, and Wet and Dry ready made. https://vegdog.de/

DOGS Wet is done by 9 companies:...1. Evolution (USA) , 2. Benevo (UK) , 3. Vegusto (CH Switzerland) , 4. Vitaveg (IT Italy) , 5. Herrmann (DE Germany), 6. Terra Purra (DE Germany) and of course 7. Veganpet (AU Australia) 8. Compassion Circle (USA) recipes for home made is for Wet mostly using their supplement powders and 9.Vegdog (DE Germany) do Wet tinned as well as supplement powder for home made of Vegdog

.

DOGS Dry is done by...9 companies: 1. Evolution (USA), 2. Benevo (UK), 3. Ami (IT Italy), 4. Veggieanimals (ES Spain), 5. Veganpet (AU Australia) , 6. Ketun (USA), 7. Vitaveg (IT Italy) , and of course 8. Compassion Circle (USA) provide recipes for Dry Home made using their supplement powders, and 9. Vegdog (DE Germany) supplement powder for home made of Vegdog.

NB
For EUROPE Compassion Circle suppliers of VEGEYEAST VEGECAT/VEGEDOG and VEGEKIT/VEGEPUP, and supplements of VEGDOG etc are in the Netherlands Vegavriend
who sell ready made vegan pet foods also.
EVOLUTION, Ami and Benevo.
https://www.vegavriend.nl/c-4674916/compleet/

There are 2 Supplement powders for Home Made Recipes.

1. Compassion Circle of the USA for both Dogs and Cats Puppies and Kittens. https://compassioncircle.com/
2. Vegdog of Germany https://vegdog.de/ for Dogs. Adults.

Germany distributor Fulda also supplies various brands in Europe, Fulda. extra brands like Greta, Bubeck, Vegdog, Green, Fitness etc
https://www.futterservice-fulda.de/schnellbestellung
UK Manufacturer and Distributor of various brands but not vegeyeast or vegecat etc supplements or Evolution and manufacturer of British Brand sold world wide "Benevo" is www.veggiepets.com
CANADA supplier of many brands including EVOLUTION are VECADO.
Vecado Canada https://vecado.ca/
 

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ps ...WHY when reading the AWEFUL state of toxins in meat based pet foods....are these not more widely realised until RECALLS killing clearly dogs and cats in immediate cases get highlighted ?

TOO MANY INTERESTS INVOLVED is clear of big business...

Dr Richard Pitcairn
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I just saw a video promotion by Dr. Marty Goldstein, who has developed his own cat food product. The claim is great health for cats that eat it, however when you look at the ingredients it is rather shocking. It is almost entirely meat and organs from animals. It even includes salmon which I am guessing is farm raised since wild salmon is both difficult to acquire in today’s dwindling oceans and also very expensive. What is shocking is how this formula is promoted as the most natural and healthy and absolutely NO mention of the toxic chemicals that will be in these meats and eggs that will accumulate in the cats that are eating them. Why is it that so many veterinarians that call themselves “holistic” are not aware of this? It is not a secret.
Because they are eating so high on the food chain (like most people) they will be getting a significant load of these environmental chemicals which eventually have effects on their health. In the first study of its kind, the Environmental Working Group found that American pets are polluted with even higher levels of many of the same synthetic industrial chemicals that researchers have recently found in people.
The results of the study shows that America’s pets are serving as involuntary sentinels of the widespread chemical contamination that scientists increasingly link to a growing array of health problems across a wide range of animals—wild, domesticated and human.
Dogs and cats were contaminated with 48 of 70 industrial chemicals tested, including 43 chemicals at levels higher than those typically found in people, according to the study of plastics and food packaging chemicals, heavy metals, fire retardants, and stain-proofing chemicals in pooled samples of blood and urine from 20 dogs and 37 cats collected at a Virginia veterinary clinic.
Teflon chemicals: PFCs (Perfluorochemicals) were 2.4 times higher than in people.
Fire retardants: PBDEs (Polybrominated diphenyl ethers): 23.4 times higher than in people.
Mercury: 5.4 times higher than in people.
Average levels of many chemicals were substantially higher in pets than is typical for people, with 2.4 times higher levels of stain- and grease-proof coatings (perfluorochemicals) in dogs, 23 times more fire retardants (PBDEs) in cats, and more than 5 times the amounts of mercury, compared to average levels in people found in national studies conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Environmental Working Group.
It is very important to understand that these chemicals accumulate in the tissues of animals that are picking them up from the environment — animals in pastures and feedlots. When these animals are then killed and eaten by other animals, the dose just increases exponentially.
The highest amount will be on those animals eating the most meat and dairy products as this is where the dose of these substances is the greatest (thousands or millions greater than found in the soil or water).
How can these facts be ignored by veterinarians? It is a mystery to me. It is like a blind spot. Perhaps they think these findings are not real? That the studies flawed? The Environmental Working Group collected blood and urine from dogs and cats to do the analysis. It is difficult to see how it could be done more accurately. Nonetheless, the results are ignored and the message of feeding large quantities of meat to dogs and cats goes on. We can only hope that some day there will be an awakening of understanding

Dr. Pitcairn Bio
BIOGRAPHY FOR RICHARD H. PITCAIRN, D.V.M., PH.D.
1941— Born in Los Angeles, California.
1965— Graduated from veterinary school at the University of California, Davis.
1965—1966— Mixed practice in Rialto, California.
1966—1967— Instructor in large animal medicine, Washington State University.
1966—1971— Full-time graduate school. Major = Veterinary microbiology & immunology; minor = Biochemistry. Taught laboratory virology.
1972— Ph.D. in veterinary microbiology and immunology from Washington State University. Thesis research on cellular foreign histocompatibility antigen recognition. While at WSU, was an assistant professor on the veterinary school faculty; taught public health and epizootiology to 4th year veterinary students; participated in research projects using tissue culture, virus isolation and assay, and electron microscopy.
1973—1978— Positions in small animal practice–Eugene, Oregon and Indio, California; relief work in Oregon and California.
1978—1984— Worked as staff veterinarian at the Monterey County SPCA.
1978—1985— Private practice in Santa Cruz, California, emphasizing homeopathy, herbs and nutrition as treatment modalities.
1978—1987— Wrote monthly column, “Your Healthy Pet,” for Prevention Magazine. Circulation: 2 million.
1981— Wrote, with Susan Pitcairn, first edition of Natural Health for Dogs and Cats (Rodale Press). Sales exceeded 230,000.
1985— Santa Cruz Workshop; Basic principles of homeopathy.
1985—1986— President of the Board, the International Foundation for Homeopathy.
1985—1996— Director, Animal Natural Health Center, Inc., a private practice and teaching clinic in Eugene, Oregon, with emphasis on homeopathy and nutrition as treatment modalities.
1986— Death Valley Workshop; Integrating homeopathy into clinical practice.
1987— Monterey Workshop; Remedy pictures of dogs and cats.
1988— Eugene Workshop; Obstacles to mastering homeopathy.
1989— Grand Canyon Workshop; Introductory and advanced homeopathy.
1989—1996— Conducted in-depth, 2-year internship programs for veterinarians at the Animal Natural Health Center.
1990— Texas Workshop; Cancer, kidney disease, stomach disorders.
1990— Maine Workshop; Philosophical differences between homeopathy and other forms of treatment.
1990— Created and marketed computer software version of Boger’s General Analysis, a tool for homeopathic prescribing.
1992— Santa Fe Workshop; Study of materia medica & Advanced prescribing.
1992— Initiated a 130 hr. post-graduate certification training program in clinical homeopathy for licensed veterinarians. About 500 veterinarians have been trained through this course by year 2013.
1995— Wrote, with Susan Pitcairn, second edition of Natural Health for Dogs and Cats (Rodale Press). Accumulated sales have exceeded 350,000. Has been translated into four languages.
1996— Featured Lecturer at the Annual Conference of the Society of Homeopaths, England.
1996— Founding member of The Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy.
1996—1998— President of The Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy.
1998—2000— Advisor to the Certification Committee of The Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy.
1998— Began an Advanced Training Course in Veterinary Homeopathy for veterinarians who have already taken the Professional Course in Veterinary Homeopathy.
1999— Speaker at the Annual Conference for The Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy, Virginia.
2000— First Annual Meeting for Advanced Homeopathic Practitioners, March, Denver, Colorado. Speaker at the Annual Conference for The Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy, Monterey, California.
2001— Second Annual Meeting for Advanced Homeopathic Practitioners, March 7-10, Saguaro Ranch, Phoenix, Arizona. Speaker at the Annual Conference for The Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy, Halifax, Nova Scotia.
2002— Advanced Course in Veterinary Homeopathy, held in Guelph, Ontario; Tiburon, California & Clearwater, Florida. Third Annual Meeting for Advanced Homeopathic practitioners, March 7-10, Saguaro Lake Ranch, ,Phoenix, Arizona. Tenth Professional Course in Veterinary Homeopathy. Speaker at the Annual Conference for The Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy, Park City, Utah.
2003— Eleventh Professional Course in Veterinary Homeopathy, Boulder, Colorado. Fourth Annual Meeting for Advanced Homeopathic practitioners, March 6-9, Saguaro Lake Ranch, Arizona.
2004— Twelfth Professional Course in Veterinary Homeopathy, San Diego and Pasadena, California. Fifth Annual Meeting for Advanced Homeopathic practitioners, March 4-7, Saguaro Lake, Arizona. Advanced Course in Veterinary Homeopathy, Park City, Utah.
2005— Wrote the third edition of Natural Health for Dogs and Cats (Rodale Press). Accumulated sales have exceeded 400,000. Sixth Annual Meeting for Advanced Homeopathic practitioners, February 7-11, Hale Luana Retreat, Kauai, Hawaii.
2006— Thirteenth Professional Course in Veterinary Homeopathy, Eugene, Oregon; Monterey, California and Saguaro Lake Ranch, Arizona. Seventh Annual Meeting for Advanced Homeopathic practitioners, March 2-5, Saguaro Lake, Arizona. Speaker and workshop presentation at the National Center For Homeopathy Annual Conference.
2007— Eighth Annual Meeting for Advanced Homeopathic practitioners, February 8-11, Sedona, Arizona. Speaker at the Ohio Veterinary Medical Association Annual Conference — on nutrition and use of homeopathic medicine for animals.
2007–2008– Advanced Course in Veterinary Homeopathy, Eugene, Oregon, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Sedona, Arizona, Santa Fe, New Mexico.
2008–2009– Fourteenth Professional Course in Veterinary Homeopathy, Santa Fe, New Mexico and Sedona, Arizona.
2009– Ninth Annual Meeting for Advanced Homeopathic Practitioners, March 5-8, Saguaro Lake, Arizona.
2010– Speaker at the Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy Annual Conference and LIGA meeting, Redondo Beach, California. Tenth Annual Meeting for Advanced Homeopathic Practitioners, March 4-7, Saguaro Lake, Arizona.
2010–2011– Fifteenth Professional Course in Veterinary Homeopathy, Concord, New Hampshire and Orlando, Florida.
2011– Speaker at the Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy Annual Conference meeting, May 5-8, Bethesda, Maryland. Speaker at the American Holistic Medical Association Annual Conference, August 27-30, San Diego, California — on simplifying homeopathic practice and the relation of homeopathy to quantum physics (2 lectures). Eleventh Annual Meeting for Advanced Homeopathic Practitioners, March 17-20, Saguaro Lake, Arizona.
2012–Twelfth Annual Meeting for Advanced Homeopathic Practitioners, March 8-11, Saguaro Lake, Arizona. Speaker at the Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy Annual Conference, May 4-6, Portland, Oregon.
2012–2013–Sixteenth Professional Course in Veterinary Homeopathy, Sedona, Arizona.
2013–Thirteenth Annual Meeting for Advanced Homeopathic Practitioners, March 7-10, Saguaro Lake, Arizona.
2014–Fourteenth Annual Meeting for Advanced Homeopathic Practitioners, March 13-16, Saguaro Lake, Arizona. Speaker at the Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy Annual Conference, September 12-14, Portland, Oregon. Advanced meeting on homeopathy: Walking with Hahnemann, November 6-8, Jerome, Arizona.
2015–Fifteenth Annual Meeting for Advanced Homeopathic Practitioners, March 19-22, Saguaro Lake, Arizona. Speaker at the Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy Annual Conference, June 12-14, Sweet Briar, Virginia.
Various Dates—Has written articles for professional organizations, or been interviewed for journals including: The American Homeopath, The American Holistic Veterinary Association, the International Foundation for Homeopathy, the National Center for Homeopathy, and The International Association for Veterinary Homeopathy.
—Has presented veterinary homeopathy to government and professional panels – the California Veterinary Medical Association, and the U. S. Food and Drug Administration.
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I think its a very good point that if there had been any recalls or deaths directly attributed to vegan pet foods we would never hear the end of it. I hadnt thought about that actually. Thanks for the info!
absolutely....imagine also the WISH for this to be the case.

SO MANY meat based pet foods get recalls...they recall and carry on producing pet foods of course that is not a BAN on them once "corrected" for the worst of the problems their pet foods have that are proven.

However...never ever has a vegan pet food been recalled in over 30 years.

Must a a RECORD in fact as HILLS Science Plan Prescription Diet for dogs had a mass recall i n2019 only recently in the press etc by the FDA imposed recall it caused DEATHS of dogs fast.

AS WOULD ANY VEGAN PET FOOD if it lacked the essentials to a cat !

ARGININE for example...if lacking a cat can die within DAYS....

It is a testament to the HEALTHINESS of vegan pet foods that never in all the HUGE HOSTILITY and scrutiny of them ...and vets would be FAST to report dead or sick cats on vegan cat foods to the FDA....so a HUGE under hostile scrutiny sector of the pet food industry....vets do not earn from VEGAN pet foods but the MEAT based ones...except when they sell VEGAN PRESRIPTION DIETS lol

Which they do ! to cure allergies all sorts in dogs and cats !

PEAS are a very good non allergic protein source for both dogs and cats that they love and digest very well obviously !
 

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THE FUTURE ! is VEGAN ! if you want it.

(Gary L. Francione quote…USA Law Professor leader of the Abolitionist Vegan Movement. 1st principle the same as PETA…

”Animals are not ours to use” )

If as VEGANS we recognise...."animals are not ours to use" then use of them for pet food is not vegan. Very simple. It would be like saying...i am vegan except on Mondays when i use animals.

"READ NO FURTHER I suggest...THIS ANSWERS ALL POSSIBLE “ISSUES"

1. Vegan pet foods are LEGAL and exceed all Pet Food Authority standards by law....have been around commercially for over 35 years now in 2019. The UK produces and sells vegan pet foods. "species appropriate" by LAW. Never a recall of any vegan pet food in over 35 years sold. In the uk in 2019 alone to date half year as i write July ... 4 out of 7 recalls were of raw pet foods. "species appropriate" by LAW.
2. Vegan pet foods are NOT classified as "animal abuse or cruelty" under the 2006 UK Welfare Act.
3. Vegan dogs and cats THRIVE not just survive, vet tested healthy for years even 20 years in the case of UK cat examples and 25 years for UK famous Bramble dog and similar long lives of her unrelated companions on vegan home made pet foods (Anne Heritage UK pioneer dogs).
4. Dogs have 28 times more amylase AMY2B gene in their pancreas than wolves needed to digest starches.
5. GMO free organic and human grade are STANDARD for vegan pet food ingredients.
6. Cat taurine is synthetic so vegan since the 1970's added to ALL commercial cat foods as they were dying going blind due to it destroyed in cooking and lost de-thawing in flesh foods, all taurine supplements raw cat feeders give as recommended by cat nutrition experts to ensure cats get taurine are also synthetic so vegan. dogs make their own taurine but pet foods have started adding it as maybe dogs have changed.
7. CATS LOVE HIGH PROTEIN PEAS. No “force feeding” involved
8. No animal needs to be bred and “choose”? to DIE for dogs cats humans to thrive.
9. Dogs cats often “choose” to eat chocolate with relish or cheap nasty smelly foods they are no good at instinctively knowing what is good or bad nutrition for them….we humans can READ and understand these necessary matters so that is our duty to DENY them their bad choices.
10. It is a matter of “choice” to choose death or healthy whatever food one legally feeds any animal.


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Andrew Knight BSc (Vet Biol), BVMS, CertAW, MANZCVS, DipECAWBM (AWSEL), DipACAW, PhD, FRCVS, SFHEA

Andrew Knight is a ridiculously busy bloke. He is Professor of Animal Welfare and Ethics, and Founding Director of the Centre for Animal Welfare, at the University of Winchester; a EBVS European and RCVS Veterinary Specialist in Animal Welfare Science, Ethics and Law; an American and New Zealand Veterinary Specialist in Animal Welfare; a Fellow of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons, and a Senior Fellow of the UK Higher Education Academy.

Andrew has over 65 academic publications and a series of YouTube videos on animal issues. These include an extensive series examining the contributions to human healthcare of animal experiments, which formed the basis for his 2010 PhD and his 2011 book The Costs and Benefits of Animal Experiments. Andrew’s other publications have examined the contributions of the livestock sector to climate change, vegetarian companion animal diets, the animal welfare standards of veterinarians, and the latest evidence about animal cognitive and related abilities, and the resultant moral implications. His informational websites include www.AnimalExperiments.info,www.HumaneLearning.info and www.VegePets.info.
 

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Thank you. I don't think we really need pets, so pet shops should not be patronized, and they should diminish until they are gone. There will still be many animals to rescue, those should be cared for.
 
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And what is going to happen as demand for products from animal agriculture diminish? Farm factories will want to get rid of animals they would use if they can't have profit from them. Like grinding up male chicks, they would just destroy them quickly if they can. This is not desirable to vegans. Therefore we want more and more sanctuaries, quickly, to accommodate caring well for animals not wanted by factory farms that lose their business, to have many less simply destroyed, so that we actually save those animals. We don't want them breeding anymore, they were bred in massive numbers for the demand of the products, and that is unsustainable, and they are no longer natural animals and cannot live well in wild nature. So there is many more sanctuaries needed that will not have them reproduce, and with this there can be fewer in the future without killing them off.
 

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That there are such that are viewed as unwanted animals shows how society places value on lives. It is certainly nonvegan for an approach, it still affects any in society including vegans. So it is that those considering themselves as vegan people will still desire to get pet animals that they will consider it worth the slaughter of other animals that they pay the slaughter industries, to have what they feed these pets. And they don't see it is fully inconsistent.
 

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Speciesism is about valuing some kinds over others. Veganism should be getting past this speciesism, vegans should understand this way. Different treatment toward lives of different kinds is not to be desired. But among a number of those known as vegan, there are pets kept for which those owners still pay money which goes to slaughter industry for products from slaughtered animals, there is hardly actual valuing lives of others equally. And there is nothing but arbitrary distinction for that. I have thought that calling ourselves vegan was enough for a move from that arbitrary way, but those saying antispeciesist is the term which should be used for valuing the lives of animals generally are maybe right, if vegans are not consistent with this.
 

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@Vegan Dogs, I hope it is alright with you, this last posted information you show here is so useful, I see I want to use it where I see such who call themselves vegan argue for feeding their pets pet food from animal remains with that being consistent with veganism, in communication online.
 

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I used that shared information posted, and it was really helpful. I keep looking for other information I may find for this.

I still think it is not compatible to veganism to get cats (or other animals) planning that they will be fed with pet food from remains of slaughtered animals in the animal agricultural industry. I heard that stuff isn't so good for healthy food, either.

Cats were kept originally for catching the creatures that were pests. They never need the flesh of animals that go to slaughter houses. It is understandable to care for rescued animals including cats and dogs. But to just acquire a pet knowing only to feed it with pet food with animal products from the slaughter houses really isn't justifiable with veganism. There is dog food that is plant-based, and dogs can be transitioned to that, and they would thrive with good health from that. Food for cats need specific nutrients for them, specifically they need taurine. There is vegan food supplemented with taurine that they can have. Such can be found in places. I know there are cats that thrived on vegan cat food that was right. Obviously then it would have been with taurine and things the cats need.

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Ryan Bethencourt of Wild Earth (vegan pet food with protein from wild koji berries) appeared 3/17/2019 on Shark Tank.

They showed treats and their kibble prototype

He asked the sharks for $550,000 for 11%

Their company is valued at $11 million.

Mark Cuban invested $550,000 for 11% of the company in a vegan pet food company. There is rumor that Mark Cuban is also thinking of running for President.


The question raised was:
Why is their project price point (PPP) so high for POS (point of sale)? Ryan said that 'it's a premium price' when the investors compared it to 'conventional dog food', but OTHER vegan dog foods ALREADY - CAN - sell THEIR product at a lower price.

Whether or not competition and volume drive down the market price point for consumers remains to be seen. I would expect (i) top quality vegan pet food based entirely upon the sciences of nutrition and taste testing across breeds.

Knowledge production in optimizing vegan pet food will be a fascinating future for opportunity seekers in the industry.

Ryan showed up with two (2) small dogs whose tongues were wagging when the food was shown.

Also, I think watching the other 'sharks' decline the offer was educational. (i) They thought that Mark Cuban could do the best with it, (ii) 'Mr. Wonderful' had a COI - conflict of interest - with another investment, and (iii) the other 'sharks' had issues with the concept. Clearly, Mark Cuban sees the FINANCIAL opportunity in vegan pet food, and Mark Cuban has talked openly about challenging the President in the next election from the Republican side.

"Vegan pet food brand Wild Earth secured a $550,000 investment on tonight’s “Shark Tank” appearance.

Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban, who stars in the ABC hit show where companies pitch a team of serial investors, said he made the investment for two key reasons:
(i) his belief in technological solutions to modernity’s challenges, and
(ii) his concerns for environmental sustainability.

The Bay Area pet food brand is spearheaded by pioneers in cellular agriculture, including chief science officer Ron Shigeta, Ph.D., chief executive officer Ryan Bethencourt, and Dr. Ernie Ward, known as “America’s Pet Advocate.”

Cuban joins Felicis Ventures, Mars Petcare, VegInvest, Stray Dog Capital, Founders Fund, and Thiel Capital in supporting the pet start-up, which has already raised $4 million. Cuban will take a ten percent stake in the company for his “Shark Tank” investment.

“There’s an enormous potential market for lower-cost, sustainable protein to feed the growing worldwide pet population and Wild Earth is now the alpha dog in this space,” Cuban said." - Jill Ettinger, LiveKindly.com

Can vegan pet food be good for the planet and your pet? https://inhabitat.com/can-vegan-pet-food-be-good-for-the-planet-and-your-pet/

The question of vegan dogs and cats is one that is frequently framed in the form of the objection, But you feed your dogs and cats meat; that’s not vegan! Elsewhere it arises among vegans themselves who, by definition, seek to eliminate the use of animal products wherever possible, but who find themselves confronted with a difficult dilemma when it comes to what to feed the companion animals in their care.

Let’s start with dogs. Dogs are not obligate carnivores, and in fact much of the scientific literature classifies them as omnivores. Regardless, dogs can and do easily thrive on a properly formulated vegan diet, and this can be accomplished by feeding them a ready-made vegan dog food, of which several brands exist, or preparing a whole foods vegetable diet for them that includes things like rice, sweet potatoes or carrots, lentils, and other veggies many dogs love, along with any needed supplements. You can find abundant testimonies and successful recipes from guardians of longtime healthy vegan dogs online. In fact, one of the longest-lived recorded dogs in history (25 years), Bramble, was vegan and her story is quite famous. She is the first of many vegan dogs profiled here.

As for felines: there is more legitimate concern around the subject of raising cats on a vegan diet because cats are considered true carnivores. However, this does not mean they cannot obtain all the nutrients they need from synthetically supplemented vegan cat food. The most commonly circulated objection to vegan cats has been disproven, which is the argument that cats cannot obtain the crucial nutrient taurine from a vegan diet. Vegan cat foods are formulated with synthetic taurine. But so, it turns out, are nearly all meat-based cat foods.

While cats have no problem deriving taurine from freshly killed animals in nature, the kibble and canned food we buy for them in stores is made from slaughterhouse by-products, or those bits of slaughtered animals deemed unfit for human consumption and “rendered” in a denaturing process that strips them of any remaining taurine (and many other nutrients). As a result, most dog and cat food producers add synthetic taurine (and other nutrients) to their products, and this same supplement is added to vegan cat foods.

 

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Ryan Bethencourt of Wild Earth (vegan pet food with protein from wild koji berries) appeared 3/17/2019 on Shark Tank.

They showed treats and their kibble prototype
The dog kibble and treats are available now.


The most recent news I can find about the cat food is in this August '18 article:

Lest we forget the cats, Wild Earth is also in the early stages of an even more ambitious project: growing mouse meat in a bioreactor.
 
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The dog kibble and treats are available now.


The most recent news I can find about the cat food is in this August '18 article:

This shows that there are no reasons vegans should feel they are justified to use parts of slaughtered animals from the animal agriculture industry that they are paid for to leave as pet food, for the domestic animals with them. If we are vegan we should not just have pets, animals with us should be our babies to care for, it should not be with being speciesist about it, that we should use other animals getting killed to feed our babies.
 

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This shows that there are no reasons vegans should feel they are justified to use parts of slaughtered animals from the animal agriculture industry that they are paid for to leave as pet food, for the domestic animals with them. If we are vegan we should not just have pets, animals with us should be our babies to care for, it should not be with being speciesist about it, that we should use other animals getting killed to feed our babies.
I'm a vegan. I'm NOT speciest at all. I did NOT know that about their cat food, I sent a message about their dog food because I'm part of their affiliate program, but after finding out about this I will quit their affiliate program
 

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I'm a vegan. I'm NOT speciest at all. I did NOT know that about their cat food, I sent a message about their dog food because I'm part of their affiliate program, but after finding out about this I will quit their affiliate program
I don't understand what you are saying. What do you have against Wild Earth's cat food (which does not even exist yet)?