US The 2020 Campaign for US President

[KLS52]

I’m hearing that Biden has been declared the winner in Wisconsin but with a less than 1% margin which makes it eligible for a recount. Trump has already demanded it.
I have not verified this. Just helping to spread the rumors, LOL.

 

[Lou]

I just heard they called Wis for Biden.
But the map doesn't say he has enough electoral college votes yet.

 

[David3]

Hillary and Trump supporters may now both learn not to celebrate too early.
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[Jamie in Chile]

So Wisconsin has been in the probable for Biden for quite some time, we will wait to see what more twists and turns are coming but Wisconsin doesn't look to be the main story at the moment. I thought it would come down to Michigan, but now it looks like it won't. Michigan is also in the probable for Biden.

It's Nevada that could be the decider now - with only 6 electoral college votes! Of the expected Biden wins, Nevada is the least certain because even though he is ahead the votes left to be counted are thought to have a chance of going to Trump and don´t follow the logic of states in the East of breaking for Biden.

And most of the Nevada uncounted votes are in Las Vegas. It is kind of appropriate because at the end of the day this is feeling like this Presidency is on a coin toss. They may as well get Biden and Trump to play a game of poker to decide the Presidency at this point. That would make about as much sense as the electoral college.

This is all assuming Trump holds on to Pennsylvania and Georgia though. If Biden wins Pennsylvania, he can afford to lose both Nevada and Arizona combined.

 

[Jamie in Chile]

Oh and apparently Nevada I read in a news article isn´t releasing any more results until 9am tomorrow. EDIT: that´s 12noon Eastern. Can´t find that article now. Did anyone see that?
EDIT: Ok this is now on New York TImes also so confirmed.

If that´s the case no-one can be declared the winner today.

Trump almost certainly can´t win without Pennsylvania so if he wins we can´t know until probably Friday (looks unlikely we´ll have a clear result there by tomorrow).

 

[Raven]

Oh and apparently Nevada I read in a news article isn´t releasing any more results until 9am tomorrow. Can´t find that article now. Did anyone see that?

They said that on the BBC news about midday today, it's almost 9 pm here now. They said they had stopped the counting in Nevada temporarily, I don't know the reason why as they didn't really explain.

 

[Urban Gardener]

Such a long wait.

 

[KLS52]

I’m trying to find information about a problem with Michigan...supposedly they are not giving it to either candidate? WTH?!?! I can’t find any confirmation on this yet another rumor...

 

[KLS52]

Trump campaign says it is suing to temporarily halt Pennsylvania, Michigan vote counts as Joe Biden's win in Wisconsin gets Democrat closer to 270 electoral votes.

Trump sues in 3 states, laying ground for contesting outcome

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump's campaign filed lawsuits Wednesday in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Georgia, laying the groundwork for contesting battleground states as he slipped behind Democrat Joe Biden in the hunt for the 270 Electoral College votes needed to win the White House.

apnews.com

 

[Jamie in Chile]

Biden is speaking live. Go back and find the video. It´s an accurate description of the situation and worth listening to. It would nice for America to have a President again who is at least capable of sounding Presidential.

 

[Lou]

Am I counting this right? all Biden needs to win is Mich, Az, and Nev? He has a slight lead in all three.

 

[Jamie in Chile]

That´s correct Lou. Michigan and Arizona are very likely for Biden but not certain yet.

Nevada I am not sure of the odds there.

One possibility now is we won´t know much more for the rest of today and then the announcement of Nevada´s other votes at 12 noon tomorrow will be a really big deal.

As I mentioned a few hours ago, Nevada could be the decider and it really should be getting more attention from the media, pundits and politicians than it has so far.

 

[David3]

Am I counting this right? all Biden needs to win is Mich, Az, and Nev? He has a slight lead in all three.

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Biden has a slight lead in Nevada, Arizona, Michigan and Wisconsin, and ~90% of their votes have been counted.
U.S. 2020 live election results . These are sufficient for Biden to win the presidency.

Trump has requested a vote recount in Wisconsin: Trump campaign will immediately seek recount in Wisconsin

And, Trump has filed a lawsuit to try to prevent Michigan from doing a vote recount, unless his representatives are there to witness that recount: Biden winning pivotal Wisconsin; Trump sues to halt Michigan count

Trump announced victory last night, perhaps prematurely: https://www.usnews.com/news/electio...-halt-to-vote-count-claims-victory-over-biden

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[Jamie in Chile]

One angle that the media seems to have forgotten about is that if the winning margin is 270-268, the corrupt Trump administration could just persuade one of the electoral college representatives to switch votes. That seems plausible to me and there isn´t any absolute law to stop it as far as I know? You only need to get one of all of the hundreds to do it. If the margin is 270-268, you can´t relax until you have been inaugurated.

A 270-268 also means Trump only needs to come up with one lawsuit option to challenge in one state which is more feasible.

If Biden can win by a wider margin such that Trump needs to overturn two states...then it´s over for Trump because even if he whines about fraud there will be enough Republicans failing to support him or even opposing him by that point.

 

[Jamie in Chile]

The Michigan and Wisconsin recount possibility is not the main story here. The gap is too large. There´s no precedent for it. Look at the history. The types of shifts in vote numbers you can get in a recount are just not enough. I wouldn´t be surprised if those lawsuits/recount requests are quietly dropped or at least don´t become Trump´s main focus to challenge the result.

 

[David3]

The Michigan and Wisconsin recount possibility is not the main story here. The gap is too large. There´s no precedent for it. Look at the history. The types of shifts in vote numbers you can get in a recount are just not enough.

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This appears to be true. Biden's lead in Michigan is now over 60,000 votes.
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[Jamie in Chile]

Sam Harris

@SamHarrisOrg
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2h

Lesson #1: The political cost of "woke" identity politics (which Biden didn't even espouse, but was tarred with) was equivalent to the political cost of botching COVID, caging children, paying only $750 in taxes, etc.... and openly undermining our democracy.

 

[Jamie in Chile]

Update to my post on previous page (275):
It was a typo. The person who tweeted it deleted and admitted it was a typo.

No, Michigan didn't find thousands of Biden votes overnight

Widespread posts about vote tallies in Michigan are taking off online as conservatives ramp up their efforts to sow doub

www.politifact.com

Politfact ruled it as a false claim.

Still, years now Trump supporters will be arguing this election was fraudelent based on something they remember seeing but can´t remember what exactly....
The Trump supporter will argue about fraud based on a tweet that was deleted (the President will not share the correction, so the number of people that saw the false claim may be 10x that which see the correction.

If this is a book or a newspaper the error is caught before anything is published. On social media the error is amplified 100x and it´s out there forever.

 

[KLS52]

“Sticking with one of the broad themes of his campaign, Mr. Biden said the presidency “is not a partisan institution” and promised, “I will work as hard for those who didn’t vote for me as I will for those who did vote for me.” “
This is what America needs to hear. Not once has Trump ever said anything remotely like this. It’s one of the things I hate about him the most. I don’t even care if it’s a lie, it needs to be said. This is what a leader is supposed to do.

 

[Jamie in Chile]

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
Trump:
We have claimed, for Electoral Vote purposes, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (which won’t allow legal observers) the State of Georgia, and the State of North Carolina, each one of which has a BIG Trump lead. Additionally, we hereby claim the State of Michigan if, in fact,.....

.....there was a large number of secretly dumped ballots as has been widely reported!

Twitter put one of its "this is a huge heap of BS" warnings on this one.


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump