Should we censor/avoid offensive words?

Would it also be the case that "African-American" or "Black" have negative connotations today? Or did we move to a post-racial society when I wasn't looking?

Thank you for the correction. I completely overlooked the fact that there is absolutely no difference between, on the one hand, a descriptive word for a group of people originating in a society in which such people are universally considered inferior, are generally (and legally) not even considered human, and are considered to be property, and, on the other hand, a descriptive word originating in a society in which such people are legally equal to other humans, a descriptive word, moreover, which has been self chosen by such people.

It's always good to be corrected when one is so obviously in error.
 
Thank you for the correction. I completely overlooked the fact that there is absolutely no difference between, on the one hand, a descriptive word for a group of people originating in a society in which such people are universally considered inferior, are generally (and legally) not even considered human, and are considered to be property, and, on the other hand, a descriptive word originating in a society in which such people are legally equal to other humans, a descriptive word, moreover, which has been self chosen by such people.

It's always good to be corrected when one is so obviously in error.

You make a good point, unfortunately, in the post you're responding to, there's no claim that the society of today and the pre-antibellium society is the same.

Now, if you want to claim that the descendants of slaves today are treated the same as other groups, you would be mistaken.

Which brings us back to the question - considering that people described as "black" or "African-American" have de facto discrimination, would such terms be considered negative? Or is there a certain point where the rest of society judges that a group is under the level of discrimination that a term can apply to them without being negative?
 
You make a good point, unfortunately, in the post you're responding to, there's no claim that the society of today and the pre-antibellium society is the same.

Now, if you want to claim that the descendants of slaves today are treated the same as other groups, you would be mistaken.

Which brings us back to the question - considering that people described as "black" or "African-American" have de facto discrimination, would such terms be considered negative? Or is there a certain point where the rest of society judges that a group is under the level of discrimination that a term can apply to them without being negative?

The post I was responding to was making the contention that the "n word" was a neutral descriptive word in the 1800's and therefore should be considered O.K. to use today.

If you want to join into furthering that contention, please feel free to do your best.
 
And it's ridiculous to argue that, at a time where black skinned people were considered to be less than fully human, the "n word" had no negative connotations.
Take that up with the people at Race and History ...

The word "nig..." used to be the most revered and sacred word in the universe. It was the "devine epithet," and the people who began using the mother of all words that originated from this word which was sullied by the British, were the ancient Egyptians or better, the Khemites, who called their land, "Khemet" or "The Black Land," and also used the name, "Ta-merri" or "The Beloved Land."

http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/127
 
Take that up with the people at Race and History ...

According to the argument being made by some people here, I cannot judge if his opinion on the word is legitimate or not unless I know his race.

Which is rather racist.

Really, I think we're mature enough to know that something like the N-word has so many negative connotations when said by whites that it's better to be avoided. And we know that words that assume gender, such as "trashman", "stewardess", etc, ties occupation and gender together and are best avoided as well. You don't have to be someone of recent African descent, nor someone of a particular gender to object to the word and argue against it. Nor do you need to use the defense that you cannot judge the word unless you're part of the group it targets or excludes.* There's better arguments to be made against the word.

The problem is when politically correct runs into stupid territory. Take the word "Squaw". Some idiot decided that it basically translates into a four letter slang word for a woman's vulva that starts with "c" and ends with "nt". Serious etymologists have looked at this and rejected his hypothesis. Yet idiots still object to this name based on the discredited etymology. Y'know what - I don't care if it offends them, I'm not catering to idiots. Neither should you.

Some people seek to be offended by a word in order to be holier than thou, or to create a false social offense that makes the speaker of the word socially obligated to whoever is offended. This is ********. Not only that, but it belittles words that are used frequently in truly offensive ways. Being PC is no longer about removing negative assumptions, but it's about social gamesmanship. Screw that.

There's an easy rule of thumb here - is a word for a racial/ethnic group frequently used and interpreted in negative ways? If so, avoid it. If not, then the problem is on those who object. To use two words in English - the N-word is quite clearly associated with negative connotations against a group of people in modern English. While an English word also used in the past to frequently describe a group of African Americans is "slave". That word has quite a racist origin. It's the name of a culture that was used as slaves. But nobody today uses the word "slave" in that way. I doubt many people could even describe the origin of the word slave. So if anyone objects to it, then it's their problem, not ours.

(Oh, and by the logic that our view on a word isn't legitimate unless we are part of that group, my grandmother is from the group where the word "slave" originated.)

* This hasn't crossed my mind before. Saying that you can't judge a racial slur unless you're part of the group, but turning around and saying you can't judge a word that excludes a group unless you're part of the excluded group, seems rather weird...
 
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Maybe I'm mistaken. I'll have to reread the post later. Thanks for the explanation!

What?

By "the post" I thought Mischef was referring to your post (# 60), but maybe I misunderstood and he was referring to something earlier.
 
What?

By "the post" I thought Mischef was referring to your post (# 60), but maybe I misunderstood and he was referring to something earlier.

Hey, could you please refer to the drunk posting thread. I'm in the happiness of Jack Cokes. :p

As for my post, I'm more interested in the details. If something is wrong, but wrong for the wrong reasons, I'm going to point that out. I may not disagree with the conclusion, but I'll disagree with the logical train of thought behind it.
 
The problem is when politically correct runs into stupid territory. Take the word "Squaw". Some idiot decided that it basically translates into a four letter slang word for a woman's vulva that starts with "c" and ends with "nt". Serious etymologists have looked at this and rejected his hypothesis. Yet idiots still object to this name based on the discredited etymology. Y'know what - I don't care if it offends them, I'm not catering to idiots. Neither should you.

"Squaw" has been considered offensive by Native American women since long before that idea took hold, and for reasons that have nothing to do with that idea.

What?

By "the post" I thought Mischef was referring to your post (# 60), but maybe I misunderstood and he was referring to something earlier.
I was indeed referring to something other than a post of das_nut's.
 
"Squaw" has been considered offensive by Native American women since long before that idea took hold, and for reasons that have nothing to do with that idea.

And I don't rule out other reasons to be offended over the word squaw. But the false etymology reason is BS.