"vegan church" ? I think veganism is a way of life and not a religion, sorry "confessing" for accidentally eating an animal product makes me cringe who are you going to be confessing to?Don’t worry, our vegan sister or brother, we are not here to judge, we are here to help! Remember, confession is the first step for redemption.
I feel people are way more concerned with the title than the definition, why call it a vegan sin? Sorry just yikes, a vegan church sounds stupid to me.A vegan sin they have committed doesn’t mean they are not vegans.
Having done some cursory investigation into Buddhism & a plant based diet, I'm not so sure you're correct. There seems to be suggestions that Siddhartha (ie; the 'Buddha') himself did not promote a non-meat diet, rather that the animals should not be killed directly by him or his early adherents. It has also been suggested in canonical text that Muslims would be tasked with the slaughter of animals, so as to absolve Monks from the edict of Five Precepts that suggests 'do no harm to living beings'.There is a wealth of religious history to people being vegan or strict vegetarian including (but not limited to) Jains, Buddhists, Taoists, Krishna Consciousness...and...wait for it....early Christians.
Genesis also describes the moon as a light, not a giant rock - and attached to the firmament ( a barrier in the sky separating waters above and below ) which means that according to the book there is water above the heavens, not "space". The idea of water above the firmament or heavens is also supported by psalm 148:4 - "Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.". Further it is supported biblically in the story of Noah's flood - where the floodgates of heaven were opened. In the book of Enoch, the sun is a disc, not a giant ball of fire in space, and it moves from east to west through different portals in the heavens. Enoch also describes the earth as having "foundations" and the heavens having "pillars", as well as the earth having "ends".There is a wealth of religious history to people being vegan or strict vegetarian including (but not limited to) Jains, Buddhists, Taoists, Krishna Consciousness...and...wait for it....early Christians. YES! In Genesis, we were all Created to be vegans and no one ate animals before the Fall of Man, in fact the Dead Sea Scrolls explain that humans were taught to "harass, molest, annoy, consume" animals by demons in the Books of Enoch (that's what the most recent Noah is about, just FYI, Aronofsky is atheist, but he was raised very Jewish and he addresses vegetarianism/animal rights via Noah and environmentalism/climate change via Mother! with a religious angle he terms as his Jewish heritage or ancestral mythos...Mother! makes a hell of a lot more sense if you have read the Bible).
Also, many 7th Day Adventists are vegan by default, or at least vegetarian. Many of the oldest "faux meat" or "meat analogue" companies are 7th Day Adventist, and we owe them a wealth of gratitude for popularizing breakfast cereal via Kellogg's and items like veggie burgers and veggie dogs through old corps like Loma Linda and Morning Star Farms which were thriving long before Follow Your Heart, Just foods, and Gardein.
I am totally okay with there being a vegan church, in fact I encourage it whole heartedly. One of my fave YouTube vegans goes by Ghost Vegan or Ghost, and though he's atheist he's made arguments for vegans being granted religious protection in the West, due to the rampant humanism that invades post-modern Western culture. He says there's not a real way animals can get rights without vegan humans having rights first, that the animals will have rights through us, in the context of our society, like Muslims or any other minority group.
Thank you for that @Lou - I have never seen that before and I think it is awesome!! I was brought up in that old/new testament world and my family is still there so I appreciate the context.That is the thing about that old testament. you can find something in it for everyone. However, there is so much in it that you have to willfully ignore. I can't see using the old testament to justify Anything.
It is both amazing and disturbing how relevant this show is even twenty years later.
I did not know that. I thought that the "Vegan Church" was a regular Christian church that happened to promote veganism. I quoted Genesis 1:29 (KJV) because I was addressing Christians who do believe in the teachings found in the Bible. I, myself, do not belong to any church. I, myself, do not wholly believe anything that it says in the Bible. I was just pointing out to Christians that their Bible supports veganism as well. Anyway, just to be clear, I have my own reasons for being an egg-eating vegetarian.Oh! and more to the point, I don't think the "Vegan Church" was about Christianity or the old testament. I think its main intended purpose was to help vegans who felt bad about cheating or whatever by confessing. Taking a page out or the Roman Catholic's playbooks or something.
I think that was me! I just finished his Book of Dust. My library has The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ in hardcover. And i read the summary and it sounds just excellent. It will have to wait for me, tho. I have a bit of a backlog again from the library.Someone on the reading thread recommended Philip Pullman as an author and so I did pick up some of his books and one that I read was The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ. It fits into this discussion beautifully.
I am an atheist. And was brought up Jewish. But i still don't understand it when Christians quote the old testament. Didn't Jesus or somebody (John, Paul, Geroge or Ringo? ) say on a hill or a mount or something, that now that Jesus has arrived we can just put away the old testament?I did not know that. I thought that the "Vegan Church" was a regular Christian church that happened to promote veganism. I quoted Genesis 1:29 (KJV) because I was addressing Christians who do believe in the teachings found in the Bible. I, myself, do not belong to any church. I, myself, do not wholly believe anything that it says in the Bible. I was just pointing out to Christians that their Bible supports veganism as well. Anyway, just to be clear, I have my own reasons for being an egg-eating vegetarian.
Well, that's the thing. People tend to quote anything as long as it supports their opinion. Quoting the old testament is no worse than getting a fictional TV character to back you up.I am an atheist. And was brought up Jewish. But i still don't understand it when Christians quote the old testament.
That is true as far as an isolated verse or two, in reference to the ancient past or a future in paradise, but as far as it pertains to people living in between those times, like Jesus or us, it isn't true that the Bible as a whole supports veganism. It supports carnism. Don't take my word for it. Here is an evangelical source on the topic:I was just pointing out to Christians that their Bible supports veganism as well.