I respect your choice, do you respect mine?

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A friend of mine shared this on FB:
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I have never heard of the author, or the original page this was shared from (though I may start!), but this is the most eloquently-put answer to how I feel about this topic of being expected to respect the choices of non-vegans:

"I am often told 'I respect your right to be vegan.' and asked, 'Do you respect my right not to be?', and I find it interesting that I am being asked this. Real respect for my veganism would mean YOUR veganism.

I'm not asking for or seeking anyone's respect for being vegan. I don't need it. What I hope and work for is that non human animals be afforded respect for their right to their own bodies and what belongs to them including their lives. Respect would mean that veganism is imperative, and exploitation as far as it is possible is ended.

When humans have choice (I acknowledge that everyone does not.), and they choose flesh, eggs, or non human milk and all other forms of avoidable animal exploitation, I can not respect those choices since there is no biological need for any of it in human diets or lives.

When there is choice, it is willful harm, and I cannot and will not respect willful harm to those who must endure that harm."
- by Linda Rapp Nelson
 

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Yes. that is well said. And I think most (if not all) vegans feel that way. Tho very few of us can express it so eloquently.
 

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Although I agree with the text I will never express myself in such a way.

Everyone that knows me knows that I am vegan but I will not be and will also never be the judgemental vegan. Blatantly expressing others are plainly wrong in their lifelong habits (even though I personally disagree with them wholeheartedly) isn't ever going to make any difference and will only be welcomed by agression and pointless debates that end in "... but meat is so tasty". It is ony though education and through informing the masses that there are alternatives that are better, aren't expensive and aren't difficult that we can make a difference.

Karma teaches us that if you portray your message positively, you will get positivity in return. A message drenched in negativity however will only harvest a negative response and an unwanted outcome.
 

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Although I agree with the text I will never express myself in such a way.
Honestly it sounds pretty mild to me.

If someone asked if you respected their right to be non-vegan, how would you respond?

I guess it would depend a lot on the situation...how/how well you knew the person, whether the conversation was already taking a confrontational turn etc...but I wouldn't be able to respond to that question without emphasizing the right of animals to not be mistreated and killed over the "right" of people to have a flavor in their mouth.
 

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Honestly it sounds pretty mild to me.

If someone asked if you respected their right to be non-vegan, how would you respond?

I guess it would depend a lot on the situation...how/how well you knew the person, whether the conversation was already taking a confrontational turn etc...but I wouldn't be able to respond to that question without emphasizing the right of animals to not be mistreated and killed over the "right" of people to have a flavor in their mouth.
My response would be something like, "You're asking me if I respect your choice to take the life of a living, sentient being who doesn't need nor wish to die. I am always going to have difficultly with that."
 

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I respect that you as a free, thinking, adult human have the right to choose. That doesn't mean I respect the choice you made or have to pretend that I agree with post-modern nonsense that all choices are equal, because they're not. Yours happens to hurt animals, other people and the entire planet. That you believe your choice to eat animals only hurts yourself is factually incorrect and cannot be compared to crimes against self like substance abuse or prostitution, a mistake surprisingly common in present day Western countries.

Something like that.
 
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Although I agree with the text I will never express myself in such a way.

Everyone that knows me knows that I am vegan but I will not be and will also never be the judgemental vegan. Blatantly expressing others are plainly wrong in their lifelong habits (even though I personally disagree with them wholeheartedly) isn't ever going to make any difference and will only be welcomed by agression and pointless debates that end in "... but meat is so tasty". It is ony though education and through informing the masses that there are alternatives that are better, aren't expensive and aren't difficult that we can make a difference.

Karma teaches us that if you portray your message positively, you will get positivity in return. A message drenched in negativity however will only harvest a negative response and an unwanted outcome.
Right. That's why China has totally stopped bullying Tibetan monks.

What you're engaging in is called magical thinking and it can easily be disproven by a world civics class.
 

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I agree that you should portray the message in a positive way and not be overly judgmental. The problem is that the "I don't judge" vegan sometimes is a quiet vegan who enables meat eating by their silence. So, the just "I'll casually eat my lettuce and people will eventually pick up on it" doesn't work for me. I think you should speak up, but just do so in the right manner, at the right time, not excessively frequently, and so on.

I'm not criticizing the quiet vegan though. They are often inspiring and beautiful souls, and also I am guilty of being too quiet and enabling at times as well so couldn't criticize anyway. But the reality is that in my opinion this is done to avoid awkwardness, not because it's in truth equally as effective, and I think we should acknowledge that.
 

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'I respect your right to be vegan.' and asked, 'Do you respect my right not to be?',

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I think the key to this argument is this:

Everyone should be able to live their life however they like, as long as it doesn't cause others to suffer.