Casey Anthony's Obvious Murder is Even More Obvious Now

[Dedalus]

Reasonable doubt. Would this new evidence have been enough to sway the jury? I wonder how close they were to thinking 'guilty'.

When I served on jury duty the whole 'reasonable doubt' verbiage was thrown around quite a bit. The judge then put it another way: Your doubt must be within reason.

It's a subtle change - but it does provide an alternative way of thinking about it. And - it made a huge impression on our (the jury's) verdict.

 

[FortyTwo]

*cue flashbacks to the neverending VB abortion thread*

Turn around,
Look at what you seeeeee-eee-eee-ee

 

[cornsail]

It was on the table because in Florida cruel **** to a kid under ten gets you there. Duct tape over a baby's face is rather cruel. However, the state was not seeking the death penalty.

Really strong evidence as in the child's decomposition in the trunk of the mother, a child thrown in trash bags where the mother used to go hang out and bury her dead hamsters? Who knows what else Creepy Casey was up to. An awful lot of Anthony animals met mysterious, miserable ends...

Mothers of accident babies call 911. Period. This is their child, their life. They don't hide them in the woods and go party. Casey never called 911 for her daughter. Cindy did, when she found out her grand daughter was missing for 31 days because that is how people react. Casey's reaction is that of guilt.

Casey Anthony is familiar with using 911 however, she managed to dial it when protestors were throwing rocks at her garage. Just sayin'.

It says on wiki that the prosecution was seeking the death penalty.

It's true that Casey's actions were not those of a rational person who's daughter died accidentally. However, her actions were also not those of a rational person who killed her daughter. If it was a planned out and intentional killing, it would make sense to either call 9/11 and claim it happened accidentally or to give a "she went missing" sooner and that actually made sense rather than continually saying stuff that would obviously expose her as a liar. So we can't just say one scenario is unlikely, so the other must have happened. We have to contrast two scenarios that both seem unlikely, and consider that Casey is irrational either way. That said, if I had to guess I would say she's guilty....

 

[FortyTwo]

Also the (daytime, cloudless) sky is blue.

 

[shyvas]

I've been following and sleuthing every piece of public evidence since this case broke thanks to Florida's sunshine law. The jury couldn't see what was right in front of their faces, this bit of evidence wouldn't have made much a difference in the verdict, in my honest opinion. They bought that Cindy Anthony was searching for chlorophyll and had come across chloroform. It was clearly Casey doing the search for chloroform and household weapons/neck breaking.

These are the same people who saw a picture of Caylee's lower skull wrapped in duct tape with the mandible, teeth and hair still attached on either side... the mandible falls away from the skull during the decomposition process and baby teeth have no roots. Yet all that still firmly in place on dry bones 6 months later after being submerged in water and chewed on by wild animals? Someone wrapped that tape around her nose and mouth that tight.

The last person who had seen little Caylee was Casey. Dr G's testimony was highly interesting where she
states that 100% of accidental deaths of a child drowing are reported to 911.

 

[AspireToExpire]

It says on wiki that the prosecution was seeking the death penalty.

It's true that Casey's actions were not those of a rational person who's daughter died accidentally. However, her actions were also not those of a rational person who killed her daughter. If it was a planned out and intentional killing, it would make sense to either call 9/11 and claim it happened accidentally or to give a "she went missing" sooner and that actually made sense rather than continually saying stuff that would obviously expose her as a liar. So we can't just say one scenario is unlikely, so the other must have happened. We have to contrast two scenarios that both seem unlikely, and consider that Casey is irrational either way. That said, if I had to guess I would say she's guilty....

That's wiki. both state's attorneys have stated publicly they would not have pushed the death penalty.

Casey thought about killing someone in that house for a while. Whether it be Cindy, George, Caylee... it will never be known. She told friends she would be getting her parents house and tried to get Cindy to kick George out. She wanted freedom but refused to go out there, live life and earn it. She was more of a leeching parasite. She didn't follow through with killing someone until she felt her hand was forced and that would have been when Cindy threatened to take custody of Caylee and throw Casey out for stealing from her grandmother and lying. People at Cindy's work testified to Cindy talking about getting custody so someone wasn't this great mommy everyone wanted everyone to think she was. There was a huge fight in the Anthony home the night before Caylee went missing and if you read both Cindy's and Casey's Myspace posts you will see, Casey killed Caylee to hurt and punish Cindy. She would rather kill her daughter than let her mother get custody. The family dynamics are quite odd in that household. George is basically a **** on, same with son Lee. Casey runs the show followed by Cindy but when everything hit the fan Casey had no choice but to let Cindy take control and she hated every minute of it. If you read the secret jail letters passed between Casey and Robin, Casey does nothing but ***** about the attention her mother is getting, the clothes she brings her, basically Cindy can do no right but at the same time this is the same woman that believed what her lying daughter fed her and supported her through this whole thing. Her father see's her for what she is, he wanted her to serve major jail time and he has nothing to do with her. Can't blame him after losing his grand daughter and being accused of a horrendous crime as molestation and rape of his own small child. As a victim of which, I don't doubt it may have happened to Casey but not by George.

Anthony's lawyers tried to get her to take a plea deal of about 20 years, I believe in the middle of the trial but she refused, rolled the dice and ultimately beat the system. Getting away with killing a helpless child is one of the reasons she is one of the most hated people in America.

 

[cornsail]

That's wiki. both state's attorneys have stated publicly they would not have pushed the death penalty.

Well wiki sources the claim with a CNN article and there seem to be other articles saying that the prosecutors were seeking the death penalty also. Could they have been initially seeking the death penalty and then changed their mind? Or is it that they sought to have the death penalty available as a possibility (which by my understanding they did not have to do), but claimed they would not have pushed for that punishment if they got a guilty verdict? If they publicly said that they "would not have" (past tense) pushed for it then that is not information that the jury had to work with. My point was that if I were a juror, the fact that the death penalty was a possibility would affect my threshold for reasonable doubt.

Casey thought about killing someone in that house for a while. Whether it be Cindy, George, Caylee... it will never be known. She told friends she would be getting her parents house and tried to get Cindy to kick George out. She wanted freedom but refused to go out there, live life and earn it. She was more of a leeching parasite. She didn't follow through with killing someone until she felt her hand was forced and that would have been when Cindy threatened to take custody of Caylee and throw Casey out for stealing from her grandmother and lying. People at Cindy's work testified to Cindy talking about getting custody so someone wasn't this great mommy everyone wanted everyone to think she was. There was a huge fight in the Anthony home the night before Caylee went missing and if you read both Cindy's and Casey's Myspace posts you will see, Casey killed Caylee to hurt and punish Cindy. She would rather kill her daughter than let her mother get custody. The family dynamics are quite odd in that household. George is basically a **** on, same with son Lee. Casey runs the show followed by Cindy but when everything hit the fan Casey had no choice but to let Cindy take control and she hated every minute of it. If you read the secret jail letters passed between Casey and Robin, Casey does nothing but ***** about the attention her mother is getting, the clothes she brings her, basically Cindy can do no right but at the same time this is the same woman that believed what her lying daughter fed her and supported her through this whole thing. Her father see's her for what she is, he wanted her to serve major jail time and he has nothing to do with her. Can't blame him after losing his grand daughter and being accused of a horrendous crime as molestation and rape of his own small child. As a victim of which, I don't doubt it may have happened to Casey but not by George.

Anthony's lawyers tried to get her to take a plea deal of about 20 years, I believe in the middle of the trial but she refused, rolled the dice and ultimately beat the system. Getting away with killing a helpless child is one of the reasons she is one of the most hated people in America.

Did the prosecutors demonstrate all this? From what I watched (the opening and closing arguments and some of the witnesses) I don't remember a lot of this stuff. It may be that there was a lot of evidence the prosecutors didn't use or just didn't bring up in the parts of the trial I watched or my memory is just bad. I felt that the prosecution didn't make a strong enough case, but that may be because they dropped the ball.

 

[shyvas]

There is currently an hour long documentary on the murder case ; showing on the Investigation channel on SKY TV.

 

[AspireToExpire]

The Lifetime movie Prosecuting Casey Anthony airs January 19th, 8pm.

 

[das_nut]

Really strong evidence as in the child's decomposition in the trunk of the mother, a child thrown in trash bags where the mother used to go hang out and bury her dead hamsters? Who knows what else Creepy Casey was up to. An awful lot of Anthony animals met mysterious, miserable ends...

Mothers of accident babies call 911. Period. This is their child, their life. They don't hide them in the woods and go party. Casey never called 911 for her daughter. Cindy did, when she found out her grand daughter was missing for 31 days because that is how people react. Casey's reaction is that of guilt.

That's strong evidence that criminal behavior was involved in a child's death.

But it isn't proof of murder.

The prosecution overreached with the charges it had, and the evidence it had.

 

[cornsail]

Yeah I though criminal negligence was also a possibility.

 

[ledboots]

The Lifetime movie Prosecuting Casey Anthony airs January 19th, 8pm.

I hope she doesn't make money from it!

 

[FortyTwo]

If there are any dramatic re-enactments I hope Smeagol plays her part.

 

[mlp]

That's strong evidence that criminal behavior was involved in a child's death.

But it isn't proof of murder.

The prosecution overreached with the charges it had, and the evidence it had.

I disagree. Duct tape over the mouth of a dead child is evidence of more than just unlawfully disposing of the body of a child who died by accident and/or lying to cover up the death.

 

[das_nut]

I disagree. Duct tape over the mouth of a dead child is evidence of more than just unlawfully disposing of the body of a child who died by accident and/or lying to cover up the death.

But the prosecution's own witness stated that he believed the duct tape was put there after the body began decomposing. And there was some debate about where the duct tape actually was.

I'm not arguing she's innocent. But when it comes to meeting the burden of proof in a court of law, the prosecution failed to do so.

 

[mlp]

But the prosecution's own witness stated that he believed the duct tape was put there after the body began decomposing.

Source? (I thought that testimony was from one of the defense's witnesses.)

 

[das_nut]

My bad, it was the defense's witness.

 

[AspireToExpire]

But the prosecution's own witness stated that he believed the duct tape was put there after the body began decomposing. And there was some debate about where the duct tape actually was.

I'm not arguing she's innocent. But when it comes to meeting the burden of proof in a court of law, the prosecution failed to do so.

It was explained by medical professionals how the skull decomposes and exactly how that jaw was perfectly in place along with all her strikingly white baby teeth (the skeleton yellows a more earthy tone in natural elements, it needs to be bleached white to look like the images we are used to being exposed to).
When found, there were also dried leaves level with her eyes, skull perfectly upright, roots growing into it wrapped tight enough to hold her hair, teeth and jaw in place even after the area had been flooded then receded after she had gone missing, months before she was found. Animals had also drug parts of her body away and left teeth marks on bones scattering her and all that still anatomically in place?

The duct tape held her long hair dangling on either side of two hollow holes, the top of her skull peeking through the dirty, dangling hair matt like a bald cap. It was a tape with a particular logo(Henkel) witnessed in the Anthony home possessions and it had been wrapped 2 times the circumference of Caylee's skull and would have covered her nostrils as well.

The jury saw that picture and was explained as best as possible in terms they could understand.

 

[AspireToExpire]

I hope she doesn't make money from it!

It is based on Imperfect Justice, prosecutor Jeff Ashton's book.

 

[Wolfie]

Since they didn't keep her in prison, at the very least she should have been spayed before being released.