Hi yall. I have a genuine question on how people living the vegan lifestyle view their own morals and how they correlate to realism in the world. Im not a vegan or vegetarian, i eat meat minimalisticly. But thats for health reasons as i agree that people have adopted a over heavily protien diet. I grew up on a dairy farm that was for milk/meat production. I hear that animal activist and vegan view these as absolutely cruel. While i admit it is not a naturalistic for animals to live that way, todays cows are not natural animals. They need to be milked or they get milk fever and die from this. I have taken calves away from the mother usally a few hours after birth, but ive also let calves stay with there mother for days and everysingle time the calf has died of starvation, and the mother cow gets milk fever as no milk is leaving her system. I really did not plan on this. I believed that they would be fine. Ive fed calves 3 quarts of milk twice a day, any more and the calf gets sick from scours. A first time producing mother cow will produce anywhere from 10 to 20 quarts of milk twice a day!! Much more then its calf would require. Turning into mother cow getting milk fever and dying, and the calf getting scours. Then dying. This is why they are no longer natural animals, but selective bred to a point they cannot exist without the dairy industry. While i do not believe this is "nice" in anyway possible, what i think and what it is are two completely different things. I do think a vegan lifestyle is better, but i feel it is morally wrong, cause that would require all dairy animals to be killed/die as there would not be a need for them and they cannot survive on their own. What are your thoughts on this