Talking to Non-Vegans

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Hello 👋,
In your opinion, what is the best way to promote veganism to non-vegans? Do you think it can be best to just present the information to them without actually telling them to go vegan or trying to persuade them to go vegan? Do you think it would actually be a good idea to bring just one, socialised farm animal (such as a lamb, a piglet or a chicken) into a small city/a city park or something and present them with the information and let them meet and play with and give treats to the animal?
How do you generally talk to non-vegans about veganism?
What do you think are the most successful and effective strategies for talking to non-vegans (including both the public and those you know (e.g family and friends)?
Also, I am currently writing some pro-vegan/animal rights fiction. Do you think fiction has its place in animal advocacy?
Thanks and have an amazing and successful, vegan New Year! Good and successful activism to y‘all!
 
Hello 👋,
In your opinion, what is the best way to promote veganism to non-vegans?

IMHO, it's best to do what is the most comfortable for you. Because of personality and circumstances there are very few general rules. Play to your strengths.

In my experience you can expect a very low success rate. Maybe keep in mind that at one time you weren't vegan. What worked for you?

What do you think are the most successful and effective strategies for talking to non-vegans (including both the public and those you know (e.g family and friends)?
I've read more than enough articles on this subject. IMHO, Melanie Joy might be the best source of info. Check her out on YouTube. She is the founder of The Center for Effective Advocacy. And teaches a the course Effective Vegan Advocacy.

Peter Singer is a good source of background material. You might want to pick up one his books.

I used to always recommend an online article called something like Effective Advocacy for Vegans. It was from Free From Harm, or One Green Planet. But I can't find it anymore. I'm pretty sure PETA has a few good and short articles, too.

Also, I am currently writing some pro-vegan/animal rights fiction. Do you think fiction has its place in animal advocacy

Absolutely, in fact I think there is another writer here on the Forum that has a thread on the subject. see if you can find it. I'm not sure where it is. Maybe another forum member can point it out to you.

Oh! BTW, there is at least one really good historical example of fiction being used in advocacy. Uncle Tom's Cabin was published in 1952, it is said to have "helped lay the groundwork for the [American] Civil War".
 
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Personally, I keep the conversation around how good I feel and how both my health and my athletic performance has improved dramatically by living a Vegan lifestyle. This way you are not perceived as preaching Vegan, but simply sharing your experience regarding how it is an amazing lifestyle choice for you.

I have mentioned being Vegan to some of my business associates and friends, and also on a few of the other Forums that I frequent (Forums that have nothing to do with being Vegan). The response was mixed. Some was favorable, and some was not very positive to say the least. Some meat eaters are hard core and may get very defensive at even the slightest hint of removing animal products from their life and their table. Others want to know more about how it has changed my health and athletic performance, and that sometimes opens the door for a more productive conversation regarding the benefits of being Vegan.
 
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Speaking as someone who does eat meat, there are a few key points you might want to consider.

Vegans and non-vegans are not a different species

Rather than viewing the situation as a "them and us" scenario, it's worth remembering we're all people. The viewpoints might differ but we all ultimately work the same way.

No-one likes "holier than thou"

No matter how superior you may feel (if at all - you may well not) to someone who doesn't follow a vegan lifestyle, you won't change any minds by putting yourself forward. Instead, you'll either come across as arrogant (in which case why should anyone listen to you) or be perceived as setting impossibly high standards (in which case, what's the point of trying).

Challenge obliquely

Confrontation won't work since ultimately the person with the power over whether an omnivore changes their habits is the omnivore themselves. Since you don't have the authority to dictate, don't try to do so. Instead, lay out reasons for considering a change of attitude and let them mull it over. If they don't change, they weren't going to by threats, insults or dictats either and so you've lost nothing. If they do change, you've achieved something. "Have you considered..." and "But what about...." are your friends.

Incremental change is better than no change

Focusing on areas where, if a person were to choose to try and change, such change is relatively easy means you may well be able to encourage change by degrees. If someone decides to eat meat less often that is still less meat being consumed. If someone decides to buy meat more ethically, that is still a reduction in cruelty. By no means ideal by your vegan standards but an improvement on the current situation. And once that change has been incorporated into an omnivore's life, their base point has changed meaning focusing on the next easiest change to make becomes less of a leap for them.

If you've got to talk ethics, talk about yours not theirs

I have rarely met someone who likes being preached to or sold to, so telling someone where they are wrong is never likely to end well. However, taking a stance like "I found myself becoming increasingly uncomfortable with....so I started doing things this way instead..." simply means you're commenting on yourself. It says what you found difficult to live with and how you resolved that conflict. It's fine for you to judge yourself and by not judging anyone else by your yardstick means they are free to draw their own conclusions. Bear in mind you have a viewpoint that makes sense to you but that doesn't mean that viewpoint is "right"; right and wrong are remarkably difficult to define in absolute terms, so best not to try. "Works well for me" is much easier to assert.

Different people, different priorities

We've seen environmental campaigners attacking owners of diesel vehicles without bothering to find out what else hidden to them someone may be doing to improve their environmental impact. I had a choice of installing solar panels and an air source heat pump or buying an electric car; I couldn't afford both. All anyone sees however whilst I'm out and about is the diesel car, yet I have reduced my household's CO2 emissions by more than the car generates. Same goes for changing people's minds about diet; take time to know a little more about what positive steps they are already taking and celebrate what they are already doing right before tackling what you see as things that still need to change.

Demonstrate your willingness to be open-minded

If you aren't prepared to show willingness to change in the face of a well-reasoned argument, why should anyone else in the face of one of yours? That doesn't mean you have to compromise on your principles but simply saying something like "That's an interesting point, let me think about it" and then following up later with your REASONED response demonstrates admirably that you're prepared to listen. That will influence much more than simply expecting others to listen to you.

Finally, be consistent and accurate

If your views are built upon dodgy logic or if you are sloppy in the facts you provide, your arguments will fall down and you will develop a reputation as someone not worth being listened to. No matter how much you like that Youtube video or that blog article, if you don't research its sources to ensure it's not just another conspiracy theory then you'll end up having the rug pulled out from under your feet by someone who WAS prepared to put in the effort to cross-check. Eventually, lots of people saying the same thing doesn't make that thing right; it may just be something wrong being given a lot of air time. If you can back up all your assertions with reasonable factual evidence, the points you make are immeasurably stronger.

Overall, what I'm saying is in fact nothing to do with vegans talking to non vegans per se. It's really just a 101 on how to interact with other people and put your point across, but it's none the less valid for all that.
 
I have to admit I'm a little surprised.

There have been a lot of threads on this site discussing how "wrong" people are to eat meat and how best to change omnivores' opinions. Many of these threads have been very passionate. Nonetheless, it took well over a year of my being a member before anyone, instead of saying what they have tried, asked how best to communicate with a non vegan.

I joined this site to listen and to understand better a viewpoint I don't necessarily wholly share. As a result, I have tried to avoid telling anyone what they should do or think. Nonetheless, this simple question "how should I talk to non vegans" seemed a totally solicited and genuine wish to understand and therefore entirely appropriate for me to answer as a resident non vegan. I would have imagined, given the passion people here generally have shown for trying to promote change, that my response - being a window into how someone might influence effectively - would have garnered more interest. As I said earlier, I was surprised; it didn't.

I certainly had a couple of reactions - both positive and both from people I expected would show interest - but nothing else. It does lead me to wonder how many people on this site want to "do" before learning "how to do". I am reminded of a somewhat cliche'd saying that "God gave us two ears and one mouth so we may listen twice as much as we speak".

I should add this is not a criticism of veganism or a promotion of meat consumption. Nor is it an implied criticism of any individual who hasn't responded. Instead it is a generalised observation that what I would have expected to be seen as a real insight into "the other side's" way of thinking has been largely ignored. I am not so vain or conceited as expect what I say "should" be given attention but if I wanted to influence people I would jump at anything that could help me understand how to target my efforts better.

Ho, hum....
 
I have to admit I'm a little surprised.

I believe I can help with what I think has happened.
Also I should remind myself and you that I don't speak for vegans in general.

although I hit the like button on your post, I didn't reply to it.

I had mixed feelings about your post and we don't have a thumb sideways button. And speaking for myself I never use the disagree button. That just seems too harsh. and besides, I didn't disagree with anything you said. So you get the thumbs up. I give the thumbs up most of the time and sometimes it just means to me - I acknowledge you - thanks for posting. I save the Love or Agree for when I have stronger feelings.

I didn't reply for a few reasons. First off, I felt I answered the OP's question with my opinion - which is what he asked for. So did you. I didn't feel further discussion was warranted.

Also this topic is very well covered. I recommended a good source for further reading. And alluded to others. Maybe I should have referenced them but Rory can look those up just as well as I (or you) can. We have also had numerous threads on this topic - again, maybe I should have referenced them

I have been completely unsuccessful at influencing non-vegans. And not for a lack of trying. So I don't feel like I'm qualified to give advice on this subject. But I am well read on this subject and recommended Dr. Joy, who is an authority on this subject. I just try to be a good example.
 
There is a well established internet phenomenon called Warnock's dilemma, which outlines there may be reasons for a lack of response to a post other than disinterest. I'm well aware, and I have no intention of suggesting I "should" be listened to. However, I would be flabberghasted if what I wrote answered the OP's question so completely that there were no further comments to be made.

The point - the ONLY point - I was making was that if you want to influence a group and someone in that group volunteers some information about how to communicate with that group (and what pitfalls to avoid) wouldn't you jump on that as a bit of "insider information" and try to follow up?

I'm not put out, offended, hurt or otherwise disenfranchised by the general lack of response and nor did I expect any kind of widespread agreement let alone a collective light-bulb moment. I am surprised, though.
 
I have to admit I'm a little surprised.

There have been a lot of threads on this site discussing how "wrong" people are to eat meat and how best to change omnivores' opinions. Many of these threads have been very passionate. Nonetheless, it took well over a year of my being a member before anyone, instead of saying what they have tried, asked how best to communicate with a non vegan.

I joined this site to listen and to understand better a viewpoint I don't necessarily wholly share. As a result, I have tried to avoid telling anyone what they should do or think. Nonetheless, this simple question "how should I talk to non vegans" seemed a totally solicited and genuine wish to understand and therefore entirely appropriate for me to answer as a resident non vegan. I would have imagined, given the passion people here generally have shown for trying to promote change, that my response - being a window into how someone might influence effectively - would have garnered more interest. As I said earlier, I was surprised; it didn't.

I certainly had a couple of reactions - both positive and both from people I expected would show interest - but nothing else. It does lead me to wonder how many people on this site want to "do" before learning "how to do". I am reminded of a somewhat cliche'd saying that "God gave us two ears and one mouth so we may listen twice as much as we speak".

I should add this is not a criticism of veganism or a promotion of meat consumption. Nor is it an implied criticism of any individual who hasn't responded. Instead it is a generalised observation that what I would have expected to be seen as a real insight into "the other side's" way of thinking has been largely ignored. I am not so vain or conceited as expect what I say "should" be given attention but if I wanted to influence people I would jump at anything that could help me understand how to target my efforts better.

Ho, hum....
I remember this--I did intend to come back with my own response, but I so agree with your response and you worded it better than I could!
I don't try and convert anyone to be vegan. My own reasons are more practical than emotional.
Humans in most of the world have evolved with far different needs in most every way than our ancestors. Why anyone uses that as an example of needing to live as they did are just fooling themselves!
 
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