Switching back-Animal products & veganism

[1956]

@fakei Interesting! I knew the droppings from hens is good fertilizer for plants.

There are diverging opinions regarding chicken manure. One of the downsides that I learned of from an older experienced farmer in France is that while it may increase soil fertility in the short term it may actually decrease soil quality in the future… He said that there is a saying in France that chicken manure “enriches the father and impoverishes the son” .
It is often too rich for certain plants and it is a pollutant to waterways, which is usually the case of most animal manure being used on the land. There are also health risks associated with its use such as Salmonella poisoning. It is possible and preferable to garden using Veganic methods.

 

[g0rph]

I just want to say that it seems a bit harsh that this post get 3 of the red crosses. I suppose the red crosses just mean you disagree but it always looks a bit harsh.

I suppose what do you expect maybe for posting a not vegan statement on vegan forum dot org but it looks like a harmless post.

It's not harmless though. It's utter nonsense, wrapped in vegetarian apologetic bs. No. It isn't necessary to kill the animals to get milk, or eggs, but it isn't financially viable not to for one, and for two, it's still exploiting the animal for no necessary reason.
And it's posted on a vegan forum.

Sure, vegetarianism is a great start. But it still profits the meat industry.

 

[Lou]

And keep in mind that eggs, milk, honey, etc are not essential or necessary to health.
Perhaps ideally you can minimize the harm to animals.
Even if it's just a small amount of harm being done to the animal, it's just unnecessay and being done only as service to your taste buds or preferences.

With that said I have a grudging respect for the multi-species rotational grazing system used at Polyface Farm:.

 

[jalan]

Not necessarily, the project from the video below employs retired hens, saving them from culling, maybe a similar thing could be made with the males. Of course genders had to be separated to avoid reproduction and severe fighting among males, although I don't know how it is with roosters. I was suggesting a similar thing for milk production.

In biology there is a thing called mutualism, when two organisms benefit each other, right now human relations with animals are in general of exploitation, that doesn't mean a mutualist one may not be possible.

Obviously the safest way of avoiding moral dilemas and entanglements is not to consume animal products or have pets. The problem is that this is not easy for the majority, even for people who feel strongly about animals. Things may change with time but it is unrealistic that things will change completely in a few generations.

Very true, as what we're taught from infancy is deeply embedded within our psyche and difficult to change, let alone to remove entirely (IMO)... Nevertheless, it can be done, but with effort and it's only now, at the ending of this life that I'm beginning to understand the nature of our reality.

 

[Sylvain M]

Accepting your mistakes and others concerning vegan diet is a spiritual beginnig to peace relationship with yourself and others.
You're vegan because you do your best according to your imperatives, to mange your life as an harmless human. It doesn't mean you can't, for exemple, eat meat if it's absolutely necessary for your life or social life. Extreme veganism makes vegans seen as scary people.

 

[jalan]

Accepting your mistakes and others concerning vegan diet is a spiritual beginnig to peace relationship with yourself and others.
You're vegan because you do your best according to your imperatives, to mange your life as an harmless human. It doesn't mean you can't, for exemple, eat meat if it's absolutely necessary for your life or social life. Extreme veganism makes vegans seen as scary people.

I’m not responsible for others feelings, but I mostly agree with you, nevertheless… welcome to this group

 

[Tom L.]

Accepting your mistakes and others concerning vegan diet is a spiritual beginnig to peace relationship with yourself and others.
You're vegan because you do your best according to your imperatives, to mange your life as an harmless human. It doesn't mean you can't, for exemple, eat meat if it's absolutely necessary for your life or social life. Extreme veganism makes vegans seen as scary people.

In my experience, refusing to eat meat won't be a problem for people who aren't vegan, vegetarian, or even pescatarian, so long as you don't harangue them or come across as excessively judgemental. I use the word "excessively" because- correct me if I'm wrong- almost all people judge others to an extent. People just don't agree as to what we should judge others about. I don't judge people by their appearance, and I tend not to care much about mine, but I know most do. Most folks I know accept me, but I strongly suspect they'd think a bit more highly of me if I fussed with my appearance a bit more than I do. On the other hand... I take better care of myself healthwise than many people I know, but I still love them, and don't say things like " they brought it on themselves" if they suffer an illness which likely was caused or worsened by something they habitually did.

People will ask why you aren't consuming a certain food, and in my experience, it won't cause a problem if you explain how eating it entails a price animals must pay- and for you, that cost is too high. Of course, there will be ***holes who just want to bug people who aren't like them, but they're not worth worrying about. If you want to vent some frustrations by crossing swords with them, why not go for it?

 

[wildr0se2]

Accepting your mistakes and others concerning vegan diet is a spiritual beginnig to peace relationship with yourself and others.
You're vegan because you do your best according to your imperatives, to mange your life as an harmless human. It doesn't mean you can't, for exemple, eat meat if it's absolutely necessary for your life or social life. Extreme veganism makes vegans seen as scary people.

I’m really glad I logged in to see this. Instead of making a separate thread, I’m going to just update here.

First off, thank you to all you wonderful humans for your support. Reddit feels so condescending and I think I need to limit my use on it because r/vegan is hella strict.

These last few months, I’ve switched back and forth between eating omnivore and vegan and then to vegetarian to omnivore and etc. I really care and want to come back to veganism, but I feel intimidated once again since socially it’s hard for menand right now I am in a psychiatric ward so they only have a vegetarian menu. Even toiletries I don’t have much control over since I have no one to bring me anything. I’ve been using the vegetarian menu, and I was pretty annoyed to see a burger sent up when I didn’t order it. Not even on the menu either!!!

Anyway, I feel societal pressure getting to me again laced with liking my dairy filled comfort foods. I didn’t even know rennet could be in most cheeses AND whey, which adds more stress. Is it weird to say veganism seems more clear cut with what to avoid?

Honestly this isn’t much different from my struggles with gender and sexuality. I feel like I’m battling beliefs pushed on me versus discovering who I want to be and it’s tiring! Thankfully, I think the jello here is actually vegan and vegetarian because there’s no gelatin in it. I did do a google search but I would like to hear from other vegans if I am correct. The brand is Kozyshack Smart Gels.

But to the user above I am replying to, thank you for your kindness. I agree that it’s not all or nothing especially in the early stages of the vegan journey. I like the idea that if I have a slip up to just keep going.

 

[jalan]

I’m really glad I logged in to see this. Instead of making a separate thread, I’m going to just update here.

First off, thank you to all you wonderful humans for your support. Reddit feels so condescending and I think I need to limit my use on it because r/vegan is hella strict.

These last few months, I’ve switched back and forth between eating omnivore and vegan and then to vegetarian to omnivore and etc. I really care and want to come back to veganism, but I feel intimidated once again since socially it’s hard for menand right now I am in a psychiatric ward so they only have a vegetarian menu. Even toiletries I don’t have much control over since I have no one to bring me anything. I’ve been using the vegetarian menu, and I was pretty annoyed to see a burger sent up when I didn’t order it. Not even on the menu either!!!

Anyway, I feel societal pressure getting to me again laced with liking my dairy filled comfort foods. I didn’t even know rennet could be in most cheeses AND whey, which adds more stress. Is it weird to say veganism seems more clear cut with what to avoid?

Honestly this isn’t much different from my struggles with gender and sexuality. I feel like I’m battling beliefs pushed on me versus discovering who I want to be and it’s tiring! Thankfully, I think the jello here is actually vegan and vegetarian because there’s no gelatin in it. I did do a google search but I would like to hear from other vegans if I am correct. The brand is Kozyshack Smart Gels.

But to the user above I am replying to, thank you for your kindness. I agree that it’s not all or nothing especially in the early stages of the vegan journey. I like the idea that if I have a slip up to just keep going.

I hear you, when you buck the system, some individuals try to mess with you, like the burger thing you mentioned, that was so disrespectful… I don’t particularly like labels myself, like veganism etc., it has a purpose, true, but I eat what I like, which is mostly non- animal, in particular, not animal flesh… I look at my herbivore physiology, the negative health impact of eating flesh and the gratuitous, unnecessary suffering of other animal species, that are grown specifically for food… I do my best to be true to myself and work towards a better non- violent world… I’m sure that your candid post has inspired others, thank you

 

[mistiq]

Was told that those who go back to eating animal products were never vegan

So I was on Reddit and I shared in a vegan subreddit about how I was transitioning back to veganism. One user commented that they thought I was confusing a plant-based diet with veganism, and that in their opinion, those who go back to eating animal products were never vegan. I feel very discouraged. I know this is a sentiment that some vegans hold. I just really care and want to be successful in living a plant-based, vegan lifestyle. What are your thoughts?

even though we've all been indoctrinated into an animal based version of living

i decided to make my own personal mantra...

i decided that i was born a vegan only managed to transition when the time was nigh

things aren't always perfect, although if you truly believe that people/plants/animals coexist

then who's to say you're right or wrong... as my mumma used to say... it's all up to you

 

[wildr0se2]

I’m pretty much telling myself that after thanksgiving, I’m going vegan.

 

[Tom L.]

@wildr0se2 Good luck! Food is, of course, a major part of Thanksgiving. I'm not saying nobody becomes vegan at that time, but it might be an unusually difficult time to make that transition. We're here to support you, in any case.

 

[wildr0se2]

@wildr0se2 Good luck! Food is, of course, a major part of Thanksgiving. I'm not saying nobody becomes vegan at that time, but it might be an unusually difficult time to make that transition. We're here to support you, in any case.

Thank you. I feel guilty waiting, as I’m watching videos about the food industries. Those poor animals…

 

[jalan]

Thank you. I feel guilty waiting, as I’m watching videos about the food industries. Those poor animals…

There’s also something that’s not mentioned much, and that is the purification of animal flesh that actually begins on death… Processing, like freezing, bleaching, chemical washes and other additives; such as, colour and fluids are used to give the impression of freshness in the supermarket… Even though our physiology is ‘herbivore’, most people eat like ‘necrovores’, something the majority of carnivores don’t do… But don’t take my word for it, just look up, ‘what is a necrovore’…

 

[Emma JC]

I’m pretty much telling myself that after thanksgiving, I’m going vegan.

It was a coindence however we went vegan just 6 days after our Canadian thanksgiving back in 2016. All the best to you moving forward.

Emma JC
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