First of all... the Kirk vs. Gorn scene is a classic and nobody can ever say anything bad about it... and secondly Sulu is God.
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I just saw the new Star Trek movie and loved it for the most part. I thought this Khan was pretty cool, villain-wise and I enjoyed the references to TOS and the earlier movies. And I love Karl Urban as Bones.
Yes, the under the water thing kind of bothered me as well as going through the atmosphere, but I can accept some future technology differences. It's the lack of an understanding to underlying physics, as we know it, that really detract from my enjoyment.
That being said, I do recognize that these are nitpicks and I don't allow them to hinder my enjoyment of the movie/series.
I view the world differently. My view incorporates our current understanding of the universe, but I feel like I have a decent grip on physics 101, so when there's an apparent lack of it in a show/movie it bugs the heck out of me. It'd be like changing languages, with no subtitles and no reason and we're just supposed to know what's going on. It's just detracts from the story for me. 
I can still appreciate characters and acting and other things.
I can still appreciate characters and acting and other things.
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Poorly displayed physics still bothers me.
Two examples that bothered me were the cold fusion bomb (the cold part doesn't mean it freezes lava, although it's possible it was a very special bomb...), and the second was were the Enterprise was falling towards Earth. It was in orbit around the Moon and somehow it was suddenly "caught in Earth's gravity" then as it rotated, in free fall, the people on the ship felt Earth's gravity constantly pulling them towards Earth, as if they were on the surface, not in free fall some distance above the surface (and atmosphere).
Those among other things.
Well, part of the fun could be justifying Star Trek goofs:
The cold fusion bomb relied on cold fusion for the energy needed to freeze the lava (somehow).
While the ship's gravity in "free fall" is due to the gravity system on the Enterprise being partially powered and thus showing glitchy behavior. Before the fall, it was using its drive to stay in the same place relative to the earth (a geostationary orbit) and the moon was moving slowly enough that it only appeared motionless (or something like that). (I think it would probably take more time to "fall" into earth anyways, but oh well...)
Explaining away another plot hole (just for the fun of it):
When Khan escapes when his ship crashes, the reason why they beamed Spock down (instead of notifying local law enforcement) is that because in 2257 (or whenever it takes place), crime is almost non-existent, and thus there's no police force as we'd consider it. We did see an armed guard at StarFleet HQ in SF earlier, but perhaps StarFleet is prohibited from doing anything from outside its own property on earth (similar to how the US military can't be used for law enforcement during peacetime in the US).
While the ship's gravity in "free fall" is due to the gravity system on the Enterprise being partially powered and thus showing glitchy behavior. Before the fall, it was using its drive to stay in the same place relative to the earth (a geostationary orbit) and the moon was moving slowly enough that it only appeared motionless (or something like that). (I think it would probably take more time to "fall" into earth anyways, but oh well...)
Explaining away another plot hole (just for the fun of it):
When Khan escapes when his ship crashes, the reason why they beamed Spock down (instead of notifying local law enforcement) is that because in 2257 (or whenever it takes place), crime is almost non-existent, and thus there's no police force as we'd consider it. We did see an armed guard at StarFleet HQ in SF earlier, but perhaps StarFleet is prohibited from doing anything from outside its own property on earth (similar to how the US military can't be used for law enforcement during peacetime in the US).
One plot hole I can't figure out:
Seriously, how the hell did the entire earth miss two starships appearing near earth and blasting away at each other? And how did Kronos miss the Enterprise and people beaming down? For being two planets that expect a coming war between them, neither seem to be rather interested in security of their home planets.
And why did Khan flee to Kronos anyways? He already knows the admiral is itching to start a war with the Klingons. So his location wouldn't protect him. So what was his game plan?
And why did Khan flee to Kronos anyways? He already knows the admiral is itching to start a war with the Klingons. So his location wouldn't protect him. So what was his game plan?
Yeah, sometimes I try to rationalize/justify them.
I kind of tried to say the cold fusion bomb was just advanced tech that caused some kind of endothermic reaction. Maybe it used the energy of the lava to start the cold fusion reaction, but the way it was portrayed was kind of the opposite, so I kind of was at a loss.
The only part of the "free fall" is that they said something about the artificial gravity being offline and it seemed to roll (while they were running) in the same way around hallways as the ship was rotating in free fall. But yeah, I'll chalk it up to coincidence and glitchy artificial gravity.
Although it was peculiar because in at least one shot the Moon was between the two ships and Earth. I think they actually stated how far away from Earth they were (when they came out of warp) but I don't remember.
The beaming was a weird plot issue. The trans-warp beaming tech was useful to go from Earth to Kronos but they couldn't beam into/out of a volcano (I know, magnetic interference. Or use another trans-warp beaming tech to beam him back (or beam a security detail to Khan)...
The only part of the "free fall" is that they said something about the artificial gravity being offline and it seemed to roll (while they were running) in the same way around hallways as the ship was rotating in free fall. But yeah, I'll chalk it up to coincidence and glitchy artificial gravity.
Although it was peculiar because in at least one shot the Moon was between the two ships and Earth. I think they actually stated how far away from Earth they were (when they came out of warp) but I don't remember.The beaming was a weird plot issue. The trans-warp beaming tech was useful to go from Earth to Kronos but they couldn't beam into/out of a volcano (I know, magnetic interference. Or use another trans-warp beaming tech to beam him back (or beam a security detail to Khan)...
Well the Enterprise was at the edge of the neutral zone wasn't it? When it came out of warp suddenly, I thought they mentioned that they were at the edge of the neutral zone. The smaller ship/shuttle though seemed to had warp tech to be able to make it to the Klingon homeworld quickly though.
The plot also quickly dropped the whole Klingon issue and it wasn't mentioned again.
I thought it was odd that Khan still went there, but figured he didn't care and was more interested in getting his crew back. Maybe that he was already way ahead of Admiral Marcus and knew that Marcus would send the Enterprise with the long range undetectable photon torpedoes containing his crew.
The plot also quickly dropped the whole Klingon issue and it wasn't mentioned again.
I thought it was odd that Khan still went there, but figured he didn't care and was more interested in getting his crew back. Maybe that he was already way ahead of Admiral Marcus and knew that Marcus would send the Enterprise with the long range undetectable photon torpedoes containing his crew.
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What keeps me from going batshit on fake science is that, while many sci-fi fans are very much into the technical side of science, there is an entirely different side to it that appeals to mainstream moviegoers. Some people truly don't care whether or not the cold fusion bomb involves cold fusion. "Cold" means that it freezes the lava, "fusion" is a scientific term, and for most people that's good enough. I'm not demeaning either side here; it's just that some people don't care and some people do. And for the people making the movies it's much easier and more profitable, as well as pandering more to the mainstream audience, to come up with "science" terms that sound cool.
The same thing goes for the physics. Can we talk about Superman turning back time by spinning the globe backwards? That's wrong on so many levels that it's hard to pick one. But people still remember that about the movie because it's dramatic and sweet from a pure plot standpoint and otherwise they couldn't care less. Most people would rather see the crew of the Enterprise scrambling to fix it in a dramatic and action-packed sequence as it falls toward Earth than have a more realistic and less dramatic sequence, and that's okay, because both are good in their own way.
The same thing goes for the physics. Can we talk about Superman turning back time by spinning the globe backwards? That's wrong on so many levels that it's hard to pick one. But people still remember that about the movie because it's dramatic and sweet from a pure plot standpoint and otherwise they couldn't care less. Most people would rather see the crew of the Enterprise scrambling to fix it in a dramatic and action-packed sequence as it falls toward Earth than have a more realistic and less dramatic sequence, and that's okay, because both are good in their own way.
Karl Urban IS Bones... they simply could not have found a better actor to play a young Leonard McCoy.
In fact ALL of them have done a fantastic job of portraying younger versions of the characters we've grown to love.
Could not be happier with the reboot.
I agree, most people don't care and would rather be awed by nonsense than awed by reality.
I don't think those are the only options. Reality doesn't have to be less dramatic, I could think of a number of ways to still keep the exact same sequence (or very similar) yet make it more realistic.
I think the actors did a great job in the new movie though.
I don't think those are the only options. Reality doesn't have to be less dramatic, I could think of a number of ways to still keep the exact same sequence (or very similar) yet make it more realistic.
I think the actors did a great job in the new movie though.
Did you know that this dude...
was portrayed by this woman?
and that Meg Wylie went on to star in The Last Starfighter (another favorite of mine).
Great character actress!
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was portrayed by this woman?
and that Meg Wylie went on to star in The Last Starfighter (another favorite of mine).
Great character actress!
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Some trivia for you: The actor who plays Sulu in TOS (George Takei) spent part of WWII in a Japanese-American internment camp.
And speaking of WWII and Star Trek TOS actors, James Doohan (the person who originally played Scotty) tended to hide his right hand during filming - he had lost a middle finger due to friendly fire during the invasion of Normandy. It's visible in a few rare scenes.
Exactly. I am loving it. I am going to go again tomorrow night, this time with my dad. He loves anything and everything Star Trek.
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Friend's colleague's new born is to be called Jean Luke (sic) James Tiberius
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I'm underage. But whatever. Hold on... let's see.
Character's 17 years old, but the actor was 20 during filming of the first movie and 23 during filming of the second. HA!
Also, what's underage in Sweden? 12?
Character's 17 years old, but the actor was 20 during filming of the first movie and 23 during filming of the second. HA!
Also, what's underage in Sweden? 12?
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I hope you enjoyed it! I grew up watching the original series with my dad, and went to all the ST movies with him, even the bad ones.
I lost my dad four years ago, and treasure the memories of those times.
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