Plant Based Diet and Health
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I love it, @LoreD , a great video for sure. I have never watched any of his videos before.
thank you for posting it, Emma JC
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thank you for posting it, Emma JC
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feather
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LoreD, that's a good one! I really find most omnivores, just don't believe that wfpb'ed people FEEL SO MUCH BETTER. They are convinced somehow that anyone that tries a new diet is just saying that to convince others to eat the same way.
LoreD-- Go Packers. I also live in cowland. HI! Thanks for the video.
LoreD-- Go Packers. I also live in cowland. HI! Thanks for the video.
I just got back from my first checkup since the pandemic. My BP was 124/86, I am on no medications, and my blood tests were "perfect."
Not too bad for a woman pushing 70.
feather
Forum Senior
No kidding there! Well DONE! That is just so great!
I love eating this way, my blood pressure went down, my joints stopped aching, I have energy, I'm happier, I lost near 60 lbs and I don't want to change what is working so well!
Lou
Forum Legend
Mayo Clinic Minute: Busting plant-based diet myths
Good to see the mainstream media taking us seriously.
Vegetarian diets have the reputation of being bland and not appetizing.
"We might think of whole-food, plant-based foods as your boring old salad that is some lettuce, cucumbers and tomatoes," says Dr. Nguyen.
Prepared correctly, foods like asparagus, tofu and mushrooms can be savory. One of the biggest misconceptions about a plant-based diet is that it's difficult to get enough protein.
"Common whole-food, plant-based sources of protein include beans, legumes, some nuts and seeds," explains Dr. Nguyen.
Some people think this type of diet will lead to nutrient deficiencies. Eating a well-balanced diet of fruits and vegetables is key.
"The colors associated with the different fruits and vegetables contain phytonutrients that can help boost the immune function," says Dr. Nguyen.
Additional micronutrients, like vitamin B12 and vitamin D, can be supplemented. It's also important to talk to your primary care clinician about your diet.
Plant-based diet benefits:
- Reduce heart disease.
- Lower blood pressure.
- Improve gut health.
- Weight management.
- Cutdown on risk of chronic disease.
- Rich in nutrients.
- Reduces environmental footprint.
Mayo Clinic Minute: Busting plant-based diet myths - Mayo Clinic News Network
There are some misconceptions surrounding a plant-based diet. A Mayo Clinic physician, talks about myths surrounding plant-based diets.
I think most people are too focused on what is excluded, instead of what is being included, on a plant based diet. Plant based dishes incorporate a much larger variety of foods, healthy foods, and the diet encourages trying new things. The standard American diet is mostly meat, cheese, and highly refined flour.Mayo Clinic Minute: Busting plant-based diet myths
Good to see the mainstream media taking us seriously.
Vegetarian diets have the reputation of being bland and not appetizing."We might think of whole-food, plant-based foods as your boring old salad that is some lettuce, cucumbers and tomatoes," says Dr. Nguyen.Prepared correctly, foods like asparagus, tofu and mushrooms can be savory. One of the biggest misconceptions about a plant-based diet is that it's difficult to get enough protein."Common whole-food, plant-based sources of protein include beans, legumes, some nuts and seeds," explains Dr. Nguyen.Some people think this type of diet will lead to nutrient deficiencies. Eating a well-balanced diet of fruits and vegetables is key."The colors associated with the different fruits and vegetables contain phytonutrients that can help boost the immune function," says Dr. Nguyen.Additional micronutrients, like vitamin B12 and vitamin D, can be supplemented. It's also important to talk to your primary care clinician about your diet.
Plant-based diet benefits:
- Reduce heart disease.
- Lower blood pressure.
- Improve gut health.
- Weight management.
- Cutdown on risk of chronic disease.
- Rich in nutrients.
- Reduces environmental footprint.
Mayo Clinic Minute: Busting plant-based diet myths - Mayo Clinic News Network
There are some misconceptions surrounding a plant-based diet. A Mayo Clinic physician, talks about myths surrounding plant-based diets.newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org
Exactly, as well as seeing eating plant based as some kind of extreme. Even when it's called a safe alternative it comes with admonitions of "properly planned" or 'carefully monitored', which translates into hard and extreme.
When you look at the changes of usual omnivore diets through history you'll find so many differences in where and what meats were consumed. Few people include insects or innards today, years back few ate well trimmed steaks, but it's under the omni umbrella. Why not think of vegan diets as just another way of being omni? You just leave out the animal products as those would leave out bugs.
Most people just aren't accustomed to making foods without meat or cheeses, yet it's easy, and becomes easier each meal you make. It kinda boggles my mind when I think back to how I'd eat foods I loved without cheese! I guess I was luckier than many in growing up where meat wasn't always served, and many soups didn't have meat components, as well as bean dishes
When people say it must be properly planned or carefully monitored disregards the fact most people couldn't afford a lot of meat and dairy on a regular basis until quite recently. People did just fine, even without supplements or access to a global food market. The rich who had better access to those foods, had worse health than the poor, who ate more plant based. Modern culture has become so meat and dairy based, people think a plant based diet is extreme, and bad for health, despite the evidence that the SAD diet is what is bad for health. I think supplements are a good thing, and you should monitor your nutrition, but most on the SAD diet do neither
Lou
Forum Legend
if you look at the prevalence of heart disease, diabetes, vitamin deficiencies, etc. it seems like Omnis should be planning and monitoring their diets too.
My parents moved to Illinois from Mississippi in the 1950's. I would be sent to stay with my grandmother, or my father's family. On the farm, meat was a rarity, and usually was only used for seasoning. A few slices of bacon in a large pot of green beans or blackeyed peas. That was it. Chicken was only for when guests came to dinner. Usually, there were 4 or 5 bowls of vegetables, beans, and biscuits.
My grandmother said that people didn't eat much meat because if you had to raise the chicken from an egg, chase it around the barnyard, kill it, spend 2or 3 hours plucking it, and a couple of hours cooking it; it really cut down on your meat consumption.
Vegetables and beans were easy and fast. Pick, wash, boil, and eat.
They did eat a lot of eggs, though.
My grandmother said that people didn't eat much meat because if you had to raise the chicken from an egg, chase it around the barnyard, kill it, spend 2or 3 hours plucking it, and a couple of hours cooking it; it really cut down on your meat consumption.
Vegetables and beans were easy and fast. Pick, wash, boil, and eat.
They did eat a lot of eggs, though.
christen_g
Forum Novice
This is a great way of putting it! I will have to remember that one.
I understand the "properly planned" thing cuz people, especially health advocates, want people to go from a less healthy, advantageous diet, to one with clear benefits. Not realizing that even "junk food vegan" diets are still healthier. But,
Exactly this, its kinda hypocrisy.
If one is worried about the health of people converting to strict vegetarianism, one should be advocating *everyone* see a dietician.
Or at the very least see their GP on the reg.
Thats it.
Simple and way more effective.
I think too many people out there conflating strict vegetarians with eating disorderded people.
christen_g
Forum Novice
To add to my last post...
I remember being rly scared about going vegetarian because my overweight family, including my mom who pushed multivitamins on us kids, was certain you couldnt thrive without meat at every dinner.
I didnt know any better and i was worried id have to buy specialty foods.
But i eventually tried it after hearing the class veg going on about eating whatever his family made but saying no to the meat.
Noodles, mashed potatoes, green beans... I get by plenty fine! he would say.
And he did.
Very grateful for that guy.
I remember being rly scared about going vegetarian because my overweight family, including my mom who pushed multivitamins on us kids, was certain you couldnt thrive without meat at every dinner.
I didnt know any better and i was worried id have to buy specialty foods.
But i eventually tried it after hearing the class veg going on about eating whatever his family made but saying no to the meat.
Noodles, mashed potatoes, green beans... I get by plenty fine! he would say.
And he did.
Very grateful for that guy.
last week, my older brother was diagnosed by a nurse practitioner and told he needed to be airlifted immediately to a hospital and have heart surgery - a few angiograms and doctor consultations later they decided he didn't need emergercy surgery and does still need a stent, at least and is scheduled for June 20
they do not live local to me and I have not seen them, in person, since 2018 or 2019 and so although they know we eat plant-based it is not anything we have spent a lot of time discussing so... what to do when this happens... I put it off for a few days and finally decided I had to write an email and so I put together a compilation of "how to reverse heart disease" from Dr Esselstyn, Dr Barnard, Dr McDougall and Gregor and sent it off to them with the caveat that I would not be upset if they didn't read it or reply to it and that I would still send healing thoughts for a successful surgery
has anyone else been in this situation and what would you do if you were? thank you for any thoughts
Emma JC
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they do not live local to me and I have not seen them, in person, since 2018 or 2019 and so although they know we eat plant-based it is not anything we have spent a lot of time discussing so... what to do when this happens... I put it off for a few days and finally decided I had to write an email and so I put together a compilation of "how to reverse heart disease" from Dr Esselstyn, Dr Barnard, Dr McDougall and Gregor and sent it off to them with the caveat that I would not be upset if they didn't read it or reply to it and that I would still send healing thoughts for a successful surgery
has anyone else been in this situation and what would you do if you were? thank you for any thoughts
Emma JC
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This is so hard. Taking back your health is so similar to overcoming additions of drugs or alcohol, it often takes hitting bottom before you're compelled to go all the way. Your brother just may have hit that point....
I used to work with a man, upper 40's, who had been treated for heart disease, type 2 diabetes, for years, had a family history. He'd stuck to the typical diets of low fat, low salt, just keeping things where they were with drugs. Finally he had another attack, another bypass, to the point where he was given the Last Rites.He came back to work looking like one foot in the grave. I gave him the info for Esselstyn. He contacted him personally, and this time went all out on the diet to save his life. It saved his life, and within a year, year and a half, he lost weight, trained for marathons, got off most all the drugs and did in fact have test results that proved his heart disease reversed.
I think most fail because rather than going hard people instead just cut back, thinking they'll see if they have improvements before going further. When they don't see improvements they think diet doesn't help. The only way to know is to go as strict as you possibly can. While Dr Greger is strict with what he terms only green-light foods Esslystyn is even more so with fat limited to a Tbsp of ground flax seed. Neither allows any salt or anything processed, or rice, or even white potatoes. Following this as strictly as they recommend has documented results.
Yes, not only forward this to your brother, but challenge him to be 100% compliant for 3 months before coming to any kind of conclusions. There are so many communities to offer support, many have no relation to veganism.
Chryssie
Internet Junkie
I am worried about my brother also. He is 4 years younger than me, is obese, has Type 2 diabetes, and a heart condition. He doesn't exercise at all and eats awful. Last week when us siblings took a trip together, I really noticed his terrible eating habits. Of course he eats lots of meat including the most unhealthy kinds such as bacon. While we were at a brew pub/restaurant he ordered TWO servings of ice cream, one with a brownie. Even though we were going to have dinner shortly. My sister and I, who are Fit bit fans, are urging him to get one to motivate him to get moving some. Lynda did manage to get him on a short walk. His whole family is overweight and I don't see them changing their carnivorous ways. 
@Emma JC sorry to hear about your brother and hope he can get on the right track.
Thank you! his surgery is tomorrow and so I am hopeful too, that he will consider some changes after.
Emma JC
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