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How dare a cop shoot someone who was pointing a gun at him.
Of course he had a gun, according to the police.

This surveillance video is making the rounds, but it doesn't prove that Antonio had a gun, just that he had at least one arm. It also stops before the police officer starts killing:

 
Antonio's mother:

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From the article:
"Police confirmed Antonio Martin's name later Wednesday morning. Belmar said he had a criminal record, with charges including three assaults, armed robbery, armed criminal action and multiple uses of weapons since he was 17."

"Belmar said the 9 mm gun found on the suspect had five rounds in the magazine and one round in the chamber. He said the gun's serial number had been filed off, which could suggest the gun was stolen."

" Among the department's 31 officers, the mayor said, 17 or 18 are African-American. About 75 percent of the command staff are black, in addition to the mayor, police chief and other city officials, Hoskins added."
 
How Dangerous is a Law Enforcement Career

The Census of Fatal Occupational Injuries is a great source of information, but like all statistics, it's the interpretation of the data that matters. The census produces a "fatality rate," detailing the number of individuals fatally injured per 100,000 workers. It also provides a raw number of fatal on-the-job injuries. Making the top 10 most dangerous jobs for 2010, the most recent year for which data is available, are:

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Fishers and related fishing workers, at a rate of 116 deaths per 100,000
Logging workers, at a rate of 91 deaths per 100,000
Aircraft pilots and flight engineers, at a rate of 71 deaths per 100,000
Farmers and ranchers, at a rate of 41 deaths per 100,000
Mining machine operators, at a rate of 38 deaths per 100,000
Roofers, at a rate of 32 deaths per 100,000
Refuse and recyclable material collectors, at a rate of 29 deaths per 100,000
Drivers / sales workers and truck drivers, at a rate of 21 deaths per 100,000
Industrial machinery repair and installation, at a rate of 20 per 100,000
Police and sheriff's patrol officers, at a rate of 19 per 100,000

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A cursory glance at the rate of fatal injuries looks pretty staggering at first blush, especially for the top-rated professions of fishers, loggers and flight crews. The problem with basing a presupposition entirely on such a rate is that the data is per capita, meaning that in smaller industries the numbers can become easily skewed.

A Numbers Game?

In the case of fishers and related fishing workers, for example, the fatality rate for 2010 was 116 deaths per 100,000 workers. The actual number of deaths in the industry, though, was 29. The same can be said of flight crews, who saw a fatality rate of 70, while the total number of fatalities for the industry was 78. Compare that to the 133 deaths of law enforcement officers in 2010 or the 177 in 2011.

In these occupations, the smaller number of workers greatly affects the fatality rate; one or two accidents can easily send the rate skyrocketing, while the actual raw numbers may be significantly lower. If we were to rank dangerous jobs based on raw numbers as a opposed to rates, the list would look like this:



Drivers / sales workers and truck drivers - 683
Farmers and ranchers - 300
Police and sheriff's patrol officers - 133
Industrial machinery repair and installation - 96
Aircraft pilots and flight engineers - 70
Roofers - 57
Logging workers - 59
Fishers and related fishing workers - 29
Refuse and recyclable material collectors - 26
Mining machine operators - 23



The Bigger Picture in Ranking Dangerous Jobs

When ordered by raw numbers, the list looks very different. Numbers, however, still don't tell the whole story. The simple fact is that there is one glaring difference between law enforcement officers and every other occupation on the list. Of all the jobs listed, only police officer deaths include a significant number of murders. That is to say that no one is trying to kill fishers or loggers or refuse collectors.

While traffic related deaths make up a large portion of police fatalities, they do not make up the majority. Firearms and other felonious causes make up the bulk of line-of-duty deaths. The bottom line, law enforcement professions are the only career on the list in which being murdered is actually an occupational hazard.

This point is not at all to diminish the dangers that are inherent in these other professions, but a distinction must be made. Despite the hundreds and, in some cases thousands, of hours police officers spend in academy training, law enforcement careers remain among the most dangerous professions no matter how you rank them.
Where do firefighters rank per 100,000? What about the military on an average year?
 
Belmar said he had a criminal record, with charges including three assaults, armed robbery, armed criminal action and multiple uses of weapons since he was 17.
Translation: Antonio Martin had a criminal record, so he deserved to be shot to death.
 
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...pointing a 9mm loaded pistol wth one in the chamber at a cop will get anyone shot.
It hasn't been proven that Antonio had a gun. Words came out of a police chief's mouth, but that doesn't make it fact.
 
It's possible that Antonio pulled out his cell phone to film the cop. The following, from 2008, is an installation by artist and activist Dread Scott:

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The Blue Wall of Violence is an installation that addresses police brutality. It focuses on the object which the police “mistook” for a dangerous weapon when they shot an unarmed person. The project consists of several elements: On the wall are six actual FBI silhouette targets which police use for shooting practice. Protruding from each of these is a cast of an arm. In each hand is an object-wallet, house keys, 3 Musketeers bar, squeegee, etc. In front of this is a coffin and in front of the coffin are three police batons which each strike it every 10 seconds with a loud penetrating bang.
 
^^^I'm not saying there are no bad cops. But some innocuous actions can conceivably get someone shot. I get around primarily by walking, and often pass a police car or officer. I would not do anything which they could perceive as an attack, such as look at them and suddenly pull something out of my pocket or pack. Rightly or wrongly, I don't fear the police- there are just some actions which we learn early on that are inherently dangerous, like running into a street without looking, diving into a body of water without knowing its depth, etc.

(Was someone actually shot for brandishing a squeegee? I'll have to google that...)

Edited to add: I found the incident where someone was shot holding a squeegee:

Officer Acquitted in Squeegee Man's Shooting - New York Times

I think it's a bit misleading to include this incident with some of the others: the officer who shot the other person (who fortunately did not die, but he could have, and he did lose his spleen) did not mistake a squeegee for a weapon. But after reading the particulars of the case I was stunned that the cop was acquitted. (The person he shot was only one of those people who go up to cars stopped at a traffic light and then starts washing the windshield without having been asked. I can't imagine any rational person thinking that situation calls for gunfire.)
 
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In situations like this, it's generally protocol to respect the family's wishes as to whether they are O.K. with a given public figure attending a funeral. Some families don't want the hoopla that surrounds the attendance by a national figure to infringe on the funeral. (I wouldn't, if it was the funeral of someone I loved.)
 
How dare a cop shoot someone who was pointing a gun at him. :mad::rolleyes:.

Please show me where I said anything like that. Please.

I live in the area. Things have been very fraught here since the shooting of Brown, and even the most justified killing (I am reserving judgment with respect to this latest killing) is going to inflame emotions on all sides, which is why I posted a link to the news.

Unfortunately (but entirely understandably) the history of authority vis-a-vis people of color in this country impacts the extent to which people of color tend to believe the narrative propounded by the authorities.
 
I get around primarily by walking, and often pass a police car or officer. I would not do anything which they could perceive as an attack, such as look at them and suddenly pull something out of my pocket or pack.
A cop should be more professional and not so trigger happy, which they tend to get around Black people. A Black person should be able to pull out a cell phone and film a cop without getting shot.
 
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Here is Antonio Martin (lower left) pulling out his gun cellphone just before getting shot.

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