MoreGreens
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I had no idea that organization existed. That's a wonderful, proactive thing to do for the most disadvantaged. Kudos to them, their volunteers and to you for promoting them.
Conservative arguments for being vegan.
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MoreGreens
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That's unfortunate. I'm sorry you experienced dismissiveness rather than understanding. Food banks are for everyone. Vegan products are donated every day, and no one should be expected to accept food that would cause them harm ... and harm doesn't need to be physical to be acknowledged. I hope you find a more positive source of assistance.
MoreGreens
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Animal ag is absolutely propped up by the US government as well as several veg crops. I know this as fact because my grandfather used to talk to other farmers about what they were being paid not to plant. He'd plant those crops before he shared his grow plan with the government. He made a lot of money ripping up newly planted crops. (I'm not proud of that, btw, but it's the truth.)
As for fruit and vegetable prices, they're low if you're willing to buy supermarket conventional. (and I'm sure that's what's getting donated first) Prices are higher if you want organic, non-gmo or heirloom. Cost is only truly high if you're buying local organic from a farm that's struggling and/or unestablished in the local restaurant market. Overall, our fruit and vegetable prices are low, and at the whole food level, more affordable than meat or dairy.
Food banks usually request non-perishable donations so alongside tuna, there should be a lot of beans, peanut butter and canned veg people meant to use but reluctantly decided they didn't really want to eat. I'm imagining a lot of canned pumpkin for some reason.
And, yes, I agree everyone should be growing their own food on whatever level they're comfortable. It's easy, inexpensive and empowering.
peacefulveglady
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Yes We get plenty of canned goods and dried beans and if i do get ramen soup with chicken flavor i toss out the seasoning packets and use veggie broth instead.
peacefulveglady
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Must be hard to be a conservative in the USA nowadays. It's quite obvious that the GOP isn't conservative anymore : it embrassed populist and far right values. Trump wallows in vice, doesn't know anything about traditional values, bangs porn stars, flirts with his daughter, had several wives, lies all the time, and doesn't know sh*t about the bible. It's funny how the GOP is just a mafia nowadays. There's nothing conservative about them. They are above the law and are just in it for power, sex, fame and dosh. There is nothing conservative about their endless demagogy. And abvioulsy they were atrocious for the environment, resulting in mass killing of wild animals.
I would say on some points I'm a conservative. I beleive in wildlife conservation, and art conservation. I write in ancient french poetical form even though so called conservatives don't know anything about it anymore. It's weird the way people are just conservative for sex, money and hatred. They don't give a flying f*uck about true conservation.
I would say on some points I'm a conservative. I beleive in wildlife conservation, and art conservation. I write in ancient french poetical form even though so called conservatives don't know anything about it anymore. It's weird the way people are just conservative for sex, money and hatred. They don't give a flying f*uck about true conservation.
OP
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@Gaspard - I know you already know this.
Long before I ever dreamed of going vegan, I was deeply concerned about conserving wild plants and animals. We need diversity in order to have a healthy ecosystem. Diversity prevents the spread of disease from animals to humans. We need a diversity of plants to develop new medicines. Our lack of diversity in our food sources could lead to famine should a disease break out in apples, oranges, wheat, and corn.
I understand that many farmers use antibiotics to prevent the spread of disease in unsanitary and overcrowded farms. This will inevitably lead to an antibiotic-resistant disease. The disease could transfer from animals to humans.
I am currently contemplating making a conservative investment in a few acres of rainforest. I could actually own the deed to the property. I could even hand the property down to my children. Nobody would ever be allowed to build or farm on the property. The land would stay wild forever. The rainforest will continue to go up in value. Thus, my great-great-grandchildren will be rich. Still, they will not be able to sell the land. But, they will have the pride of ownership.
Long before I ever dreamed of going vegan, I was deeply concerned about conserving wild plants and animals. We need diversity in order to have a healthy ecosystem. Diversity prevents the spread of disease from animals to humans. We need a diversity of plants to develop new medicines. Our lack of diversity in our food sources could lead to famine should a disease break out in apples, oranges, wheat, and corn.
I understand that many farmers use antibiotics to prevent the spread of disease in unsanitary and overcrowded farms. This will inevitably lead to an antibiotic-resistant disease. The disease could transfer from animals to humans.
I am currently contemplating making a conservative investment in a few acres of rainforest. I could actually own the deed to the property. I could even hand the property down to my children. Nobody would ever be allowed to build or farm on the property. The land would stay wild forever. The rainforest will continue to go up in value. Thus, my great-great-grandchildren will be rich. Still, they will not be able to sell the land. But, they will have the pride of ownership.
Tht's amazing mate.
But how do you plan to keep freedom in America? If you're a true conservative, you sould try to "conserve" your democracy. At the moment America is obviously becomming a dictatorship. The WH is above the law, pardons criminals, fire anyone who displease the president, deals with dictators, Putin, Erdogan, etc. This might be the end of America and freedom.
Slightly off-topic: In the past, when I've donated blood, they often had donuts and juice for donors after the donation process was over. granted, if someone normally eats healthy, one snack of (mostly) junk food won't harm them. I don't know if this post-donation snack was meant to prevent someone from feeling faint, as I've heard happens to some donors; I've never had a problem.
Val
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Lol, i donated blood only once (for my ex-husband's father). And i fainted after that! It happened on our way to their home, right in a suburban train, and we nearly missed our stop.
But(!) i wasn't vegan then... so 1) before getting on the train, my MIL persuaded me to devour a stinky meat pie ("khyicheen")! ...plus 2) before donating blood, nurses had made me drink disgusting super-sweet tea, which i loathe, and eat a decent piece of roasted bread ("sukhar' "). No wonder, i felt nauseated all the time, and my stomach was very upset, and when i feel nausea, i already have a semi-unconscious condition, so it's easy to faint, especially when you've just have given away 450 ml of blood.Well, at least the "process" of blood donation was interesting. My dad had been trying to talk me out of doing it, but i had been determined, so i wasn't afraid, because i knew, that without the blood of 3 of us (hubby, MIL and me), he would have died. Unfortunately, he died anyway.
Yes, it's supposed to help those who feel faint. Like you, I've never had a problem, but I do drink the orange juice, and then continue drinking more water than normal for a few days, because hydration is especially important after blood loss.
On one occasion after I donated blood, they had sandwiches from a local sandwich shop. That was nice.
