News 2016 U.S. Presidential election - the highs and lows

So we owe it to you to vote your way? Sounds like you belong in one of those countries where if you don't vote for the "right" candidate, you can be jailed or killed. By the way, libertarian candidates tend to pull from republicans and green party from the democrats. Many, many newcomers to the Gary Johnson FB pages were republicans not happy with Trump. They were never going to vote for Hillary.

I'll say what I said last spring during the primaries. Bernie would have beaten Trump. And I'm not a Bernie fan so it's not sour grapes. The DNC tried to shove Hillary down voters' throats and even admitted to some vote rigging. Blame them. Or continue to blame and the rest of the Johnson voters, we don't care. Even if Johnson wasn't on the ballot, I wouldn't have voted for Hillary. Or Trump for that matter.

I get being upset your candidate didn't win. I do not get those who think they have the right to command everyone vote their way.

I'm not convinced Bernie could have beaten Trump. If voters weren't going to vote for a woman they didn't trust, they weren't going to vote for a Jewish socialist, either. Bernie didn't get the nomination, and the antisemites still came out of the woodwork. It would have been even worse with Bernie.
 
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There are racists'a'plenty in some parts of any Western country. Same with NZ if you go to some areas...
 
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I was reading today that Michelle Obama might run in 2020 for presidential nominee... not sure if it is true or not. I have seen more than a bit of talk about it though.
 
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In NZ we are having our election next year. It will get pretty heated as we have such a godawful government at the moment.
 
They organized in 2011, and they have a total of 1,703 "likes" on FB?! They seem to lack a certain something....
The Democratic Party has been around since 1828 and it couldn't get more than 25% of eligible voters to vote for its candidate.
 
Thank you, it is just that I saw it mentioned quite a few times today in a number of different parts of the internet.. perhaps it was their wish more than anything else.
 
Thank you, it is just that I saw it mentioned quite a few times today in a number of different parts of the internet.. perhaps it was their wish more than anything else.

Yes, I believe it's wishful thinking.

Besides which, she'd be faced with the double whammy of misogyny and racism.
 
This made me laugh out loud.

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Sorry - if you voted for a third party, you are part of the problem.

The blame for this ugly surprise rests on third-party voters, people who didn't vote (note that I'm not saying people who couldn't vote - voter suppression was worse this election than since the literal sixties), the electoral college, the media's ceaseless pandering to Trump and demonizing of Clinton, and, of course, the monster that is Trump himself.

I very much understand the appeal of third party candidates, believe me. (Side note: the phrase "believe me" has been ruined for me forever, so I'm going to try to avoid using it from now on.) I'm not happy with the Democratic Party, and I'm sure as **** not happy with Secretary Clinton. Alternatives are starting to sound pretty nice.

But I think very few people went into those polls truly believing that Jill Stein or Gary Johnson was going to pull some surprise mega victory. One of two things was going to happen come Tuesday night - either Trump or Clinton was going to be the President-elect.

Voting is not some self-expressive action meant to make you feel fuzzy inside. It's an attempt to realistically and truly push the country in a direction where it can get a little bit closer to how you wish it was. No one is going to read your write-in vote or look at the percentage of third-party votes and decide, 'well, gee, since this person got like six percentage points of support in the General Election, we better start doing things more their way!'

If, for whatever reason, you voted third party - and this goes especially for you if you live in a battleground state - you helped hand this election to that greasy orange fleshlight of a man. I'd say I hope it was worth it, but it clearly wasn't. Have fun living with that choice for the next four years as literal Nazis feel empowered to get away with some truly vile, life-ruining garbage.

Also, and I can't emphasize this enough, Jill Stein and Gary Johnson are just flat out terrible candidates. Worse than both Clinton and Trump. Stein has no idea what she's doing and can't hold a realistic political position for ten seconds without wavering, and Johnson appears to constantly be high on a drug that no one else but him knows exists. You don't have to love or even like Hillary Clinton to recognize that she actually knows what is going on around her, has real political opinions, and knows how to lead.

If you think this situation is in any way okay, or that this is even remotely preferable in the slightest to a Clinton presidency, do yourself a favor and don't waste your time responding to this. I don't want to debate anyone on this. I've dealt with enough terrible opinions over the past day and a half and besides, it's beyond a lost cause at this point.

All I can say is, I hope someone does something about this before January 20th comes around, because I doubt that I'll be living here anymore if Trump or Pence actually goes into office. Whether I have a choice or not.
 
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It really depends I guess. In some countries like NZ and Germany also for example people vote for the third parties a lot because the system allows for several parties to be in at once. depends on the system, I guess in a country where it is generally one of 2 parties I can see how third party voting would not be as useful. I think often it can be a protest vote.
 
Having said that, even with our system with third parties, we have still somehow managed to get a douchebag prime minister and creepy government. So it doesnt protect against everything.
 
Just maybe one can be more realistic when the situation next arises.
I don't think any third-party voters actually believed that their candidate could realistically win the election. I also don't think shaming people is the best way to get them on board.
 
I'm not convinced Bernie could have beaten Trump. If voters weren't going to vote for a woman they didn't trust, they weren't going to vote for a Jewish socialist, either. Bernie didn't get the nomination, and the antisemites still came out of the woodwork. It would have been even worse with Bernie.

I strongly disagree with you on this one, and there are lots of others who offer more valid explanations than I could in the time I have...

Donald Trump would have lost if Bernie Sanders had been the candidate
If anyone doubts Bernie Sanders would've crushed Trump, show them this
Would Bernie Sanders have defeated Donald Trump?
 
It really depends I guess. In some countries like NZ and Germany also for example people vote for the third parties a lot because the system allows for several parties to be in at once.

I can only speak for Germany (much of Europe actually) that has quite a different system.
Also, the office of president (chancellor actually) does not have the same weight it has in the US.
Multiple parties elected by proportional representation together make up the parliament that decides on important issues.
 
Unfortunately for NZ it means we now have a variety of right wing creeps there in the Parliament seats, instead of just the one type. It is like an Ayn Randian/Thatcherite parade. :( .