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Jeremy said:
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My god, what the ****ing **** no.... I just heard that Denise is getting Abraham's death! Way to keep on remixing the deaths writers... Abraham should DIE!
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Oh no...I like her, I think....she's the "Doctor", right?
 
Welp, that was just about the worst writing decision the show has made. Certainly the worst in a while.

I could go on about how lesbians/women who love women keep getting the short end of the stick in fiction, and how TWD killing off one of its two lesbian characters is really sketchy, but in the end it comes down to a few facts:
  1. It made sense for Abraham to die here, especially if it would have left things unresolved with Eugene. They had the perfect setup for this. Then there would have been something sad to come from it at least. As we learned with Lori - if the audience wants a character to die, give it to them, and make them feel like **** for wanting that.
  2. Denise's comic analogue already has a meaningful, tragic, and noble way of going out. If they were going to kill her off anyway, that would be the greatest payoff. This was just for shock value, which is a cheap death for any character.
  3. Her death was senseless, which is fair given the nature of the show. However, we have a very pivotal moment coming up which requires a very senseless, tragic, and unfair death to inspire what will be at the very least an entire season's conflict and an entire major character arc tying into the birth of a new civilization. That is going to be a hell of a lot less shocking and certainly less moving if the show goes killing off people for shock value left and right.
Basically: I cannot understate how ****** I am about this, it doesn't make sense on any level, and if I weren't so invested in this show and its characters I'd probably be quitting it right about now.
 
Can't say I am happy with the decision to kill off this character at this particular time but the episode was exciting! Only 2 more episodes left this season. The anticipation for the finale is intense!
 
FortyTwo said:
Welp, that was just about the worst writing decision the show has made. Certainly the worst in a while.

I could go on about how lesbians/women who love women keep getting the short end of the stick in fiction, and how TWD killing off one of its two lesbian characters is really sketchy, but in the end it comes down to a few facts:
  1. It made sense for Abraham to die here, especially if it would have left things unresolved with Eugene. They had the perfect setup for this. Then there would have been something sad to come from it at least. As we learned with Lori - if the audience wants a character to die, give it to them, and make them feel like **** for wanting that.
  2. Denise's comic analogue already has a meaningful, tragic, and noble way of going out. If they were going to kill her off anyway, that would be the greatest payoff. This was just for shock value, which is a cheap death for any character.
  3. Her death was senseless, which is fair given the nature of the show. However, we have a very pivotal moment coming up which requires a very senseless, tragic, and unfair death to inspire what will be at the very least an entire season's conflict and an entire major character arc tying into the birth of a new civilization. That is going to be a hell of a lot less shocking and certainly less moving if the show goes killing off people for shock value left and right.
Basically: I cannot understate how ****** I am about this, it doesn't make sense on any level, and if I weren't so invested in this show and its characters I'd probably be quitting it right about now.
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This one is on Kirkman 100% I think. The last time Robert Kirkman was so vocal about something he claimed to regret that he did in the comics, Rick ended up keeping his hand. He came out not long ago saying that he regretted killing Abraham when he did because it would have been interesting to see what Abraham could have brought to "All Out War". I kind of figured someone else would be getting Abraham's death but who was anyone's guess. I also agree that someone needed to take Abraham's death pretty much unchanged for the introduction (re-introduction?) of Dwight. The people in the writer's room are fine with Robert wanting this because they feel that remixing deaths keeps things fresh.

I actually liked how they did this. It showed Denise coming out of her shell and understanding how the world outside of Alexandria was. It showed her gaining some confidence... It's like a kid that wants to take their bicycle out of the front yard and their parents finally decide to loosened the parental leash a bit just for the poor kid to be plowed over on the road by a speeding truck... For a moment the kid feels empowered like he/she gained their wings just to have that freedom (and their life) quickly plucked away from them by a reckless driver. Maybe that's a strange analogy, but it's how I saw it. And hey, maybe no one will get blown to **** by a grenade :)

And hey, I think the show/comic is pretty LGBTQ friendly. No one is immune to having a tragic and senseless death. We still have Aaron and Eric, and Jesus hasn't came out in the show yet :) Speaking of which I think that is the most awesome thing ever. Having such a bad *** like Jesus be gay without any stereotype defining him. Jesus is the man regardless of who he may love!
 
Oh no!:sob:

I thought the episode was quite boring at first, so I walked out of the room to get a drink just before Denise got an arrow to the eye. Aw, I liked her a lot! :(

When I was watching the rest of the episode I was thinking that if I was in Eugene's position that is one of the things that would have crossed my mind to do, but I didn't expect to see it on a show! I just read that he did that in the comic.

The Carol thing...o_O I'm not sure what to think, is she really leaving or will she come back?
 
Moll Flanders said:
Oh no!:sob:

I thought the episode was quite boring at first, so I walked out of the room to get a drink just before Denise got an arrow to the eye. Aw, I liked her a lot! :(

When I was watching the rest of the episode I was thinking that if I was in Eugene's position that is one of the things that would have crossed my mind to do, but I didn't expect to see it on a show! I just read that he did that in the comic.

The Carol thing...o_O I'm not sure what to think, is she really leaving or will she come back?
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Yeah, they pretty much stuck right with the comic for Denise's death (though it was Abe of course) and the dick bite... :D

Carol has pretty much lost it and what happens next with her is impossible to say. It'll be interesting to see how things play out with her.
 
Hmmm...I just checked out three different spoilers and I don't see anything different from what we already know. Feel free to hook me up with the link you are referring to, lol. I will totally read it! I NEED TO KNOW!

I am going to have a hard time hating Negan because I find him extremely attractive, hahahahaha. I just came across a really great if pic of him. Plus I know the actor from other things.
 
KLS52 said:
Hmmm...I just checked out three different spoilers and I don't see anything different from what we already know. Feel free to hook me up with the link you are referring to, lol. I will totally read it! I NEED TO KNOW!

I am going to have a hard time hating Negan because I find him extremely attractive, hahahahaha. I just came across a really great if pic of him. Plus I know the actor from other things.
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Okay for episode 15 and 16 (finale)...

Episode 15....

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=616180391870436

and the finale...

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=616049331883542
 
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