The Myth of Lab Grown Meat

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Interesting article about the health and environmental costs of various plant based replacements for meat. Apparent!y, unprocessed legumes were best, processed meat replacements 2nd, and lab grown meat was last. But all of them were better than animal products.

The man who busted the myth of fake meat


The industry wants you to believe lab-grown meat is a game changer but it doesn’t deserve any attention, says Dr Marco Springmann


As senior researcher at the University of Oxford’s Environmental Change Institute, Springmann is tackling one of the most contentious food issues of our time: what alternatives should we embrace to replace meat and dairy sustainably and healthily? His latest research, a comprehensive study of 24 milk and meat alternatives, found that legumes, such as peas, were a better alternative on cost, emissions and health, than veggie burgers and other highly processed vegetarian and vegan options, although they were better than meat and animal milk.

“Unprocessed legumes such as peas and beans were the clear winner in our assessment,” he says. “They performed well from all perspectives, including nutritional, health, environmental and cost.” “The easy takeaway is to go for unprocessed plant-based foods wherever possible,” he continues. “All of the beans did very well. Processed plant-based alternatives did fairly well, just not as well, although they’re still much better than meat and milk. But one of the big downfalls of processed plant-based alternatives is that they are very expensive. So if cost is an issue for you, that’s an even stronger argument for using minimal processed food.”

Springmann also advocates for a shift in how we think about meals. As he points out, in Indian or other plant-led cuisines, the absence of meat products is felt less. “In those more ethnic meals it doesn’t seem to be missing that there’s no meat or milk portion. It’s funny that in more Western meals you have to have some discernible milk or meat thing. Part of the problem, he says, is our tendency to try to force plant products to be like meat: processing them into burgers or sausages rather than preparing them on their own terms. "Rather than replacing a burger with another burger, what about swapping the burger and fries for a bean chilli or a stir fry with tempeh?” he suggests. “These options integrate a protein source with vegetables and whole grains for a more complete nutritional package.” He is keen on tempeh. “We found tempeh was much better than a normal veggie burger and almost as good as beans, because it preserves much of the structure of soybeans without heavy processing. It’s also much cheaper.”
 
None of this is surprising, it just confirms what everyone already knew. Of course lab grown meat is less healthy and less environment-friendly than less processed vegan alternatives. And at the moment it's also quite expensive, although the cost should fall once the process improves.

And of course we can agree that we ought to try better to allow vegan foods to be their own thing without processing everything into burger shapes.

The result of the view put forward in this article would be more or less the status quo. Animals, the environment and people's health would continue to suffer. They're trying to discourage the idea of lab grown meat entirely. We know that many people will simply never want to choose the more healthy vegan options. For them lab grown meat would be the only animal-friendly option, and it should still be better for the environment and their health as well.

A few words about the source:

Please never, ever trust a word written in The Telegraph about vegan/vegetarian issues. They have been on a crusade against veganism for years already, as they evidently considers veganism to be part of the culture war. You can also trust the Telelgraph (aka "Torygraph" as it's the voice of the UK's Tory party) to almost always support the most vile and reactionary causes, including climate change denial.
 
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None of this is surprising, it just confirms what everyone already knew. Of course lab grown meat is less healthy and less environment-friendly than less processed vegan alternatives. And at the moment it's also quite expensive, although the cost should fall once the process improves.

And of course we can agree that we ought to try better to allow vegan foods to be their own thing without processing everything into burger shapes.

The result of the view put forward in this article would be more or less the status quo. Animals, the environment and people's health would continue to suffer. They're trying to discourage the idea of lab grown meat entirely. We know that many people will simply never want to choose the more healthy vegan options. For them lab grown meat would be the only animal-friendly option, and it should still be better for the environment and their health as well.

A few words about the source:

Please never, ever trust a word written in The Telegraph about vegan/vegetarian issues. They have been on a crusade against veganism for years already, as they evidently considers veganism to be part of the culture war. You can also trust the Telelgraph (aka "Torygraph" as it's the voice of the UK's Tory party) to almost always support the most vile and reactionary causes, including climate change denial.
Aye.
They are not quite the Daily Heil, but still a terrible source.

Lab grown meat if it becomes sustainable and profitable in large enough quantities will be a game-changer as far as the amount of animal suffering is concerned.
 
Aye.
They are not quite the Daily Heil, but still a terrible source.

Lab grown meat if it becomes sustainable and profitable in large enough quantities will be a game-changer as far as the amount of animal suffering is concerned.


True. I think there is quite a future for lab grown meat and dairy, but since it is still meat and dairy, it still has the same health risks as the cruel factory farming version. And would certainly be better for the environment.

If lab grown meat can become competitive, then we might see the end of the slaughter of animals.

I'm very hopeful for lab grown meat for pets. Yes, I know there are excellent vegan sources, but for those who insist on meat for pets, lab grown meat is the alternative.
 
They are not quite the Daily Heil, but still a terrible source.
I personally consider The Telegraph to be worse because they're so incredibly consistent in their support of everything reactionary. And while The Daily Mail is reaching for some of the same audience, they occasionally tell the truth, produce a nice infographic or at least write something entertaining.
 
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True. I think there is quite a future for lab grown meat and dairy, but since it is still meat and dairy, it still has the same health risks as the cruel factory farming version. And would certainly be better for the environment.

If lab grown meat can become competitive, then we might see the end of the slaughter of animals.

I'm very hopeful for lab grown meat for pets. Yes, I know there are excellent vegan sources, but for those who insist on meat for pets, lab grown meat is the alternative.
This isn't quite true.
The end result would contain no antibiotics or growth hormones. It would be free from disease and they can make sure cholesterol is lower. There is no risk of contamination from the intestinal organs either.
Remember, they would be growing muscle and fat cells only without all the stuff that is routinely given to animals to keep them reasonably healthy.

There are bound to be counter claims of course (likely originating from the meat industry), but the sources I've read seem to favour lab grown as far as health is concerned.

I also asked ChatGPT :)
"Will lab grown meats be healthier?"

Lab-grown meats — also called cultivated or cultured meats — have the potential to be healthier than conventional meats, but this depends on how they are produced and processed. Here's a breakdown of the potential health benefits and concerns:
  • Lower Saturated Fat

    • Fat content can be engineered, meaning producers could reduce saturated fat and increase healthier fats (like omega-3s).
  • No Antibiotics or Hormones

    • Cultivated meat is grown in sterile environments, so there's no need for antibiotics, reducing the risk of antibiotic resistance.
  • Reduced Risk of Contaminants

    • Since it doesn’t involve slaughter, there’s less risk of E. coli, salmonella, or other pathogens from fecal contamination.
  • Controlled Nutrition

    • Vitamins, minerals, and other nutrients can be customized, potentially making the meat more nutritionally complete or tailored to specific diets.
 
This isn't quite true.
The end result would contain no antibiotics or growth hormones. It would be free from disease and they can make sure cholesterol is lower. There is no risk of contamination from the intestinal organs either.
Remember, they would be growing muscle and fat cells only without all the stuff that is routinely given to animals to keep them reasonably healthy.

There are bound to be counter claims of course (likely originating from the meat industry), but the sources I've read seem to favour lab grown as far as health is concerned.

I also asked ChatGPT :)
"Will lab grown meats be healthier?"

Lab-grown meats — also called cultivated or cultured meats — have the potential to be healthier than conventional meats, but this depends on how they are produced and processed. Here's a breakdown of the potential health benefits and concerns:
  • Lower Saturated Fat

    • Fat content can be engineered, meaning producers could reduce saturated fat and increase healthier fats (like omega-3s).
    • Cultivated meat is grown in sterile environments, so there's no need for antibiotics, reducing the risk of antibiotic resistance.

It would be safer than farmed meat, but it would still have quite a few of the health risks.
 
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It would be safer than farmed meat, but it would still have quite a few of the health risks.
Of course it would.
But then you said..."It still has the same health risks as the cruel factory farming version"

I am simply suggesting that they won't necessarily be the same, or anywhere near as bad.
The main health risk from red meat is saturated fat. That can be reduced.
Other risks are infectious disease. They can be eliminated altogether.

Either way, I didn't stop eating meat because I don't like it.
If I can get a 100% guaranteed animal exploitation-free rib-eye steak...I am on it in a heartbeat.
If I can get a lab-grown pack of eggs and some lab-grown bacon then my favourite weekend breakfast is back on the table.
If I can get just vegan lab-grown minced beef then I can finally make a real lasagne again. And I will.
If I can get synthetic or lab-grown casein then my pizzas will once again taste as they used to. I adored cheese. None of the 100s of vegan cheeses I have tried can replace a proper mozzarella or a Roquefort, Gorgonzola or mature Cheddar. They don't come close.
Sure, I use Violife etc or even home-made cashew mozzarella on pizza, but it isn't the same.

All of things I gave up because I don't regard MY taste buds to be more important than the lives of the animals...that's it.
 
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Of course it would.
But then you said..."It still has the same health risks as the cruel factory farming version"

I am simply suggesting that they won't necessarily be the same, or anywhere near as bad.
The main health risk from red meat is saturated fat. That can be reduced.
Other risks are infectious disease. They can be eliminated altogether.

Either way, I didn't stop eating meat because I don't like it.
If I can get a 100% guaranteed animal exploitation-free rib-eye steak...I am on it in a heartbeat.
If I can get a lab-grown pack of eggs and some lab-grown bacon then my favourite weekend breakfast is back on the table.
If I can get just vegan lab-grown minced beef then I can finally make a real lasagne again. And I will.
If I can get synthetic or lab-grown casein then my pizzas will once again taste as they used to. I adored cheese. None of the 100s of vegan cheeses I have tried can replace a proper mozzarella or a Roquefort, Gorgonzola or mature Cheddar. They don't come close.
Sure, I use Violife etc or even home-made cashew mozzarella on pizza, but it isn't the same.

All of things I gave up because I don't regard MY taste buds to be more important than the lives of the animals...that's it.


Yes because you are eating meat. It isn't as healthy as plant based.

Lab meat and dairy will be an excellent, sustainable, and humane option as a meat replacement for meat eaters and pet food.

BTW, I fully support the production of lab grown animal products. It helps the planet, reduces animal suffering, and prevents the transmission of animal diseases.

I won't eat it because it because it isn't as healthy as plant based. After 45 years I don't have a taste for it anymore. I don't miss it.

As long as it gets rid of the slaughter; I'm OK with it.
 
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Yes because you are eating meat. It isn't as healthy as plant based.

Lab meat and dairy will be an excellent, sustainable, and humane option as a meat replacement for meat eaters and pet food.

BTW, I fully support the production of lab grown animal products. It helps the planet, reduces animal suffering, and prevents the transmission of animal diseases.

I won't eat it because it because it isn't as healthy as plant based. After 45 years I don't have a taste for it anymore. I don't miss it.

As long as it gets rid of the slaughter; I'm OK with it.
The reason I am stressing that it isn't as unhealthy is because we need as many people as possible on board.
IMO it's a game changer...
 
The reason I am stressing that it isn't as unhealthy is because we need as many people as possible on board.
IMO it's a game changer...


Some people eat plant based for health, some for ethical reasons, and some for both ethical and health reasons. It isn't an either or situation.

I'm fully on board with lab grown meat. All that has been said is that while it is safer and healthier than farm raised or hunted meat, and it ticks all the ethical and environmental boxes; it is not as healthy as fully plant based.

Animal agriculture is not sustainable from an environmental aspect, or from the disease transmission aspect. This is a good fit to fill the meat eater niche.
 
This isn't quite true.
The end result would contain no antibiotics or growth hormones. It would be free from disease and they can make sure cholesterol is lower. There is no risk of contamination from the intestinal organs either.
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huh. That is interesting stuff. I hadn't really thought about it that way.

So not as healthy as PB but healthier than real meat.
I suppose it's more environmentally friendly than real meat but less than PB.
And of course it's better for the animals. Which is usually my first concern.
 
huh. That is interesting stuff. I hadn't really thought about it that way.

So not as healthy as PB but healthier than real meat.
I suppose it's more environmentally friendly than real meat but less than PB.
And of course it's better for the animals. Which is usually my first concern.
To be honest, it's my only concern (barring it being worse for the environment - which it clearly isn't).

Everything in moderation.
 
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Just because lab meat is unviable in it's current form, does not mean research in the future cannot make it work.
And think of the ethical benefits to the artistic world! Bones grown in a lab can be used to make the glue to repair/maintain wood instruments and paintings, like Leonardo's, that were painted on wood.

Sadly, sometimes an animal product is the best -- or only -- option for our most important cultural artifacts. I mean, who would DARE to damage a Stradivari viola -- one of the rarest instruments in the world -- by using 'wood-glue' (which causes permeant damage) or plastic-glues, like Elmers.....

Speaking of, gut-strings produce a better sound than metal or nylon. Connoisseur and musicians agree that, at least, those three do not sound the same, and it only gets more complicated from there! Think of the wonderful world where a human being consents, upon death, to have his body used as the source for the cell cultures needed to make so many of our non-edible animal-products.

Think of all those lives saved by a few acts of charity, and the collective intellect of Man.

"Once, I said, 'Man rose above primitiveness by vowing, "I will not kill, today."'"
 
Interesting and imaginative ide.

I don't know much about this topic but I wonder if we can skip the lab grown bones or lab grown cat guy and just skip ahead to vat grown glue and strings.
 
I just recalled something that was in a science fiction novel. It was just a prop and not developed or explained. in the future they can manufacture live GMO stuff. One woman got as a gift a purring blanket. Don't know why I just remembered that. my brain must have made the leap when I thought about vat grown cat gut.