TV & Film Star Wars Episode 7

This would fit just as well in the "Unpopular Opinions Society" thread as here, but... I really didn't mind Jar Jar Binks, although the prequels (such as they were) would not have lacked anything without him. (Okay, some thought his characterization was somewhat racist- and if that is true, it wasn't cool. I never decided one way or the other.)

I think I'll really like Finn and Rey if/when I watch it.
 
what was that creature that flew around in the first prequel? Anakin's boss....That really didn't look realistic....little fat body, small wings....almost giving the finger to realism in science fiction.

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The PC crowd just loves the movie, and will defend it vigorously, because the protagonist are not white men... :p

This almost isn't worth responding to, but...

I defend this movie because it's a good movie. There are a lot of good movies I defend that have only white male protagonists (2001: A Space Odyssey, for instance - I don't think a single woman shows up in it who isn't either a stewardess or someone's child, but I love the movie to death because there are other reasons to love it). There are also a lot of terrible movies with great representation (Jupiter Ascending, for instance, has a very diverse cast but is an absolute mess of poor writing). Representation is important - very important - but it's not everything. It can't make a terrible film good. And although it's a weakness when a film glaringly lacks diversity, it's obviously totally possible to enjoy a film that isn't diverse.

When you simplify the defense of the movie to "the PC crowd" being happy about the protagonists being more diverse (which, gee, what a terrible and phony reason to celebrate a film? Apparently? So many little girls are so happy to see a character like Rey, that's a good reason to celebrate even for shitty movies like Jupiter but I digress) you're turning what could be a nuanced conversation into something very one-sided and regressive. Is Star Wars Episode VII a perfect film? Hell no, that doesn't even really exist. I will freely discuss the massive plot holes in the film, which are definitely there. But plot is just one element of a film, and not even close to the most important one. There are great films that barely even have a plot.

Basically, I have yet to see a criticism of the film that doesn't amount to people either being pissy about the fact that the characters aren't white men, people being pissy about Rey being a competent and powerful woman, people nitpicking the plot instead of just actually watching the damn movie and enjoying everything else it has to offer, or people complaining because they didn't like one actor or another (which I guess is a valid criticism, to each their own, but with a few exceptions it can't make or break a script unless the performances are rock bottom awful).

I firmly believe plot nitpicking is the lowest form of critique. 2001 is one of my favorite movies, and I'm certainly not the only one who thinks highly of that film. It's often praised for its realism. Artificial gravity is explained by way of centrifugal force generated by a giant wheel constantly turning on the ship. There's a sentient computer with an excellent performance by Douglas Rain. The film explores questions of the place of humans in the universe and all that good stuff, which I'd delve into if I were writing an analysis of 2001, but I've done enough of those to last me a few more years, so whatever. But there are a lot of inconsistencies in the film. Dave inhales before jumping into space which would kill him in real life. The stars twinkle in space without an atmosphere. Hell, in one part, there's even gravity in the pod bay, which doesn't have any sort of rotational mechanism to provide it! What an awful mistake on the filmmakers' part! But when you're watching the film, you typically don't give it a second thought. You're too busy being caught up in the tension of the crew's situation, or maybe you're snoring, because 2001 is a really goddamn slow movie and I wouldn't fault anyone for falling asleep in the middle of it, but that's beside the point. Also Citizen Kane. Who hears him say "Rosebud" for everyone to report on? Absolutely no one. And it's widely considered one of the best films ever, because there is so much there to like that doesn't hinge on that one stupid oversight.

Basically, if you go into even the best of films nitpicking the **** out of it, you're not going to enjoy yourself. Movies are about enjoying yourself, they're not about who can be the most cynical and factual.
 
what was that creature that flew around in the first prequel? Anakin's boss....That really didn't look realistic....little fat body, small wings....almost giving the finger to realism in science fiction.

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this garbage character.

I love (read: despise) how Lucas' response to people being disgusted with Watto being a blatant Jewish stereotype was to make him even more of a blatant Jewish stereotype.

Doing a thing that people have told you they don't like, except more, will apparently solve all your problems, according to Lucas. That's practically the guiding philosophy for the prequels :D
 
people being pissy about Rey being a competent and powerful woman

I think complaining about how Rey picks up Jedi master mind skills and swordfighting without any training in about 15 minutes is a rather valid criticism....
(did not have a spoiler tag earlier, apologies (Andy_T)
 
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I think complaining about how Rey picks up Jedi master mind skills and swordfighting without any training in about 15 minutes is a rather valid criticism....
(did not have a spoiler tag earlier, apologies (Andy_T)

Geez, use spoiler tags people....

The mind trick and the telepathy sure, that is valid criticism, I agree. But the sword fighting not so much really. The way I interpreted the sword fight was to display that Kylo Ren is rough around the edges, rather than conveying that Rey was being masterful. I mean... After all, Finn nearly took him too.
 
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Yeah, I can see where this is coming from. I consider this film's plot's similarity to A New Hope a strength, though, not a weakness.
I agree.

I saw it yesterday (and enjoyed it for the most part, save for a couple of occurrences, one in particular, that really frosted my cookies), and I liked all the nods to the original. I consider this a set-up for the rest of the franchise, so to me it was a way to get the longtime fans engaged, especially fans like me, who absolutely loathed the prequels.
 
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I think complaining about how Rey picks up Jedi master mind skills and swordfighting without any training in about 15 minutes is a rather valid criticism....
(did not have a spoiler tag earlier, apologies (Andy_T)

I dunno. It's not so much of a problem for me since A, it's a movie, and B, it just seems like a slightly different way of presenting the Force than in earlier films, not a lesser one.

They definitely could have developed it more, don't get me wrong, that's one of my legitimate criticisms of the movie. Having Rey demonstrate mastery of the Force earlier in the film would have made her Jedi mind trick all the more believable. We see her with that staff when Finn shows up, so I don't think her sword skills are unreasonable - she's been having to defend herself from smugglers and thieves for years, after all - but her ability with the Force is a bit abrupt. My real issue is the undeniable fact that, were Rey a male character, most of the people complaining about this (read: men, usually teenagers or twenty-somethings) wouldn't even bring it up.
 
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I agree.

I saw it yesterday (and enjoyed it for the most part, save for a couple of occurrences, one in particular, that really frosted my cookies), and I liked all the nods to the original. I consider this a set-up for the rest of the franchise, so to me it was a way to get the longtime fans engaged, especially fans like me, who absolutely loathed the prequels.

I like how some people are describing it as a "stealth remake" - it did feel that way to me, and not in a bad way.

Let's be honest - as great as the original films are, they're not exactly a story we haven't heard before. It's not like Lucas invented these archetypes, or even the space opera genre and its focus areas. I'd rather have a really great and fun movie that didn't try too hard to avoid using any old ideas than trash like the prequels, which Lucas considered super innovative but failed to actually entertain their audience.
 
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Geez, use spoiler tags people....

The mind trick and the telepathy sure, that is valid criticism, I agree. But the sword fighting not so much really. The way I interpreted the sword fight was to display that Kylo Ren is rough around the edges, rather than conveying that Rey was being masterful. I mean... After all, Finn nearly took him too.

Yeah, that would actually have been my next point, Finn not having had any training in it either!

Did you ever fight anybody with a sword?
(I admit I have not done it, other than some fencing and stickfighting lessons)

I don't think a complete novice would fare very well against someone who has done it before, and practiced it...

Jeremy, apologize for not using the spoiler tags earlier. Completely slipped my mind.
Actually, everybody I meet has already seen the movie by now :D
 
Oh, my ... seems the information about the "PC crownd" has not reached Hasbro...:mad:

Just plain stupid, IMO...

Rey is missing from new Star Wars monopoly and this is becoming a real problem...

The problems of female characters being under-represented in geek merchandise is real. But when it’s a secondary character like Gamora or Black Widow, at least toy companies have an excuse. When the girl is not just the star of the movie, but of the whole franchise, that’s another story.

That character, of course, is Rey, the main character of Star Wars: The Force Awakens, and the latest problem has to do withHasbro’s Star Wars: The Force Awakens Monopoly. In the game, the four playable characters are Luke Skywalker, Finn, Darth Vader and Kylo Ren. No Rey.

Really?
Luke Skywalker? Who had, what, a total of 3 minutes of presence in the movie???
Darth Vader? Who was present for about 30 seconds (as burned skull in helmet) ???
 
Oh, my ... seems the information about the "PC crownd" has not reached Hasbro...:mad:

Just plain stupid, IMO...

Rey is missing from new Star Wars monopoly and this is becoming a real problem...



Really?
Luke Skywalker? Who had, what, a total of 3 minutes of presence in the movie???
Darth Vader? Who was present for about 30 seconds (as burned skull in helmet) ???

I saw a report about a playset that had the "main characters" but no Rey.

They had the damn special "red shoulder pad" stormtrooper but apparently couldn't include one of the film's most central characters. Absolutely ridiculous.
 
I saw a report about a playset that had the "main characters" but no Rey.

They had the damn special "red shoulder pad" stormtrooper but apparently couldn't include one of the film's most central characters. Absolutely ridiculous.

Cut them some slack, don't you know it's reeeeeeeallly difficult to make women into toys, and then they won't buy them anyway because girls don't like star wars :P
 
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Do they use 3D face scans of the actors to make the heads for the toys these days? I saw a 3D scan and 3D print of a TV presenter the other year, and it was pretty good.
 
Do they use 3D face scans of the actors to make the heads for the toys these days? I saw a 3D scan and 3D print of a TV presenter the other year, and it was pretty good.

Depends on the target audience. If they're being produced as toys for children they don't. But a lot of the collectible figures are from 3D scans and yeah they are really really awesome.