Need help to choose right food for dog.

[Chloster]

Hello!

My dog (3 yr lab/dane mix, ~90Lbs) is allergic to all kinds of meats. Vet suggested a vegan diet which we agree on. There is two brands of dog food available in my area and want to ensure I get the best one. With price not a factor and guarantee analysis is very similar which ingredient list would everyone recommend. Thanks in advance!

Food 1

Oat groats, brewers rice, potato protein, coconut oil, natural flavors, dried plain beet pulp, tomato pomace, flaxseed, calcium carbonate, monocalcium phosphate, carrot pomace, potassium chloride, calcium sulfate, salt, fructooligosaccharides, choline chloride, taurine, vitamins [DL-alpha tocopherol acetate (source of vitamin E), L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), biotin, D-calcium pantothenate, vitamin A acetate, niacin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin supplement, folic acid, vitamin D3 supplement], trace minerals [zinc proteinate, zinc oxide, ferrous sulfate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, copper sulfate, calcium iodate, sodium selenite, copper proteinate], L-carnitine, carotene, rosemary extract, preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid.

Food 2

Brown Rice, Oatmeal, Cracked Pearled Barley, Peas, Potato Protein, Canola Oil, Potatoes, Tomato Pomace, Vegetable Flavoring, Calcium Carbonate, Dicalcium Phosphate, Flaxseed, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Taurine, Natural Mixed Tocopherols, Spinach, Parsley Flakes, Cranberries, L-Lysine, L-Carnitine, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Kelp, Vitamin E Supplement, Iron Proteinate, Zinc Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Potassium Iodide, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Manganese Proteinate, Manganous Oxide, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin A Supplement, Biotin, Niacin, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Selenite, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B-6), Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Riboflavin (Vitamin B-2), Vitamin D-2 Supplement, Folic Acid

 

[Sax]

Why not try both and let your dog decide which s/he likes best?

 

[Lou]

Ask your vet, ask the guy who sells the food. They may have more info.

I know this vegan couple that makes their own vegan dog food. It is something they cook on the stove and make into dog servings. some servings they freeze. There are supplements added to the food. Eye droppers and measuring spoons. Their vet pretty much taught them the recipe. I'm pretty sure you can look up the recipe online.

 

[Vegan Dogs]

you did not mention the brands of those details...assuming from the presentation of the details it is a paste from the details of commercial vegan dog foods out there.

1. you can make your own using www.compassioncircle.com recipes.
2. you can buy wet or dry ...Benevo...Evolution...V-Dog....Ami ...are the 100% vegan quality brands. Avoid Wysong not a vegan company and their vegan range inadequate per their own admission.

www.vegepets.com website of suppliers world wide. Website of expert vet Dr Andrew Knight who does not sell pet food of course himself.

Andrew Knight BSc (Vet Biol), BVMS, CertAW, MANZCVS, DipECAWBM (AWSEL), DipACAW, PhD, FRCVS, SFHEA

Andrew Knight is a ridiculously busy bloke. He is Professor of Animal Welfare and Ethics, and Founding Director of the Centre for Animal Welfare, at the University of Winchester; a EBVS European and RCVS Veterinary Specialist in Animal Welfare Science, Ethics and Law; an American and New Zealand Veterinary Specialist in Animal Welfare; a Fellow of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons, and a Senior Fellow of the UK Higher Education Academy.

Andrew has over 65 academic publications and a series of YouTube videos on animal issues. These include an extensive series examining the contributions to human healthcare of animal experiments, which formed the basis for his 2010 PhD and his 2011 book The Costs and Benefits of Animal Experiments. Andrew’s other publications have examined the contributions of the livestock sector to climate change, vegetarian companion animal diets, the animal welfare standards of veterinarians, and the latest evidence about animal cognitive and related abilities, and the resultant moral implications. His informational websites include www.AnimalExperiments.info,www.HumaneLearning.info and www.VegePets.info.

 

[nobody]

2. you can buy wet or dry ...Benevo...Evolution...V-Dog....Ami ...are the 100% vegan quality brands. Avoid Wysong not a vegan company and their vegan range inadequate per their own admission.

www.vegepets.com website of suppliers world wide. Website of expert vet Dr Andrew Knight who does not sell pet food of course himself.

Andrew Knight does not recommend Evolution.

http://www.vegepets.info/suppliers.html

2 Diets not recommended ↑


Evolution diets
Reason: 'Denial' response to study demonstrating nutritional inadequacies (Vegetarian Feline Diets, Appendix IV).

Nature's Recipe Allergy (Vegan)
Reason: Reportedly the vitamin A is from retinol and the vitamin D3 is from lanolin. These are not vegan sources and this food is therefore not vegan.

Wysong Vegan Dog
Reason: Reportedly this product is intended to supplement meat diets and is not balanced and complete, nor is it vegan as the taurine is apparently derived from bull testicles.

 

[Vegan Dogs]

Correct they failed on what was thought to be a batch control error. This happens. Regretable they did not respond and since then there have been no other failings found however in their pet foods which are widely sold with healthy cats and dogs on them...the formulas change also in time.

I add this matter of relevance and information use on vegan pet foods generally...

taurine is synthetic so vegan...well these qualifications of Professor Dr Andrew Knight Andrew Knight BSc (Vet Biol), BVMS, CertAW, MANZCVS, DipECAWBM (AWSEL), DipACAW, PhD, FRCVS, SFHEA whose website is full of scientific details supporting vegan cat diets ...www.vegepets.com...and...Taurine is synthetic so vegan added to all commercial cat foods since the 1970's lol !

In Summary:

Taurine is IN vegan cat foods.
Vitamin A: is IN vegan cat foods.
Arachidonic Acid: is IN vegan cat foods.
Arginine is IN all vegan cat foods.

Omegas are in the HEALTHY correct ratios in vegan cat foods.
(not an unhealthy ratio of up to 40:1 in farm animal flesh rather than healthy maximum of 10:1)

Fats and Proteins are in the HEALTHY correct quantities in vegan cat foods.
(not DOUBLE the healthy fat levels in farm animal flesh)

Vitamins minerals calcium etc are in the HEALTHY correct quantities in vegan cat foods.

AAFCO standards are EXCEEDED by vegan cat foods. (aafco Is the government authority who issues the guidelines on pet foods in the USA)

No antibiotics…no euthanasia drugs…no plastics (common in fish) no toxins like mercury (common in fish) no antibiotics (standard in farmed animals 70% of the world’s antibiotics are forced into farm animals just to keep them alive chicken the most.) No euthanised dead rescue dogs and cats or horses. No below human grade diseased sick and died before intended slaughter ingredients (standard in other pet foods)

No bred to suffer and forced to die animals.
Particularly the 6 billion suffocated to death 1 day old male chicks of the egg industry labelled as “chicken”

No contributing to the 70 billion USD per year pet food animal based business.

No contributing to pet food based on animal protein content being the 5th largest population in the world if pets were a continent.

Less risk than wild lion species cats of kidney diseases that those species on their raw flesh diets get at the rate of 74% of compared to 30% of domestic pet cats on average.. (https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0300985810382089)

Vegan cat foods have been around now in 2019 for 33 years. They have proven themselves. Cats would have died in their hundreds of thousands if not by now due to inadequate diets. All of them are LEGAL and “species appropriate” by law for digestibility etc labelling laws of pet foods.

What’s not to like in all that ? .
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VEGAN cat foods are MORE certain of providing the necessary TAURINE, VITAMIN A, ARGININE, ARACHIDONIC ACID….CORRECT ratios of OMEGA 3 and FATS that are HEALTHIER than farm flesh EXCESSIVELY high levels which are UNHEALTHY for cats than farm animal flesh.
We are talking…OMEGA 6 Ratios of unhealthy 40:1 to Omega 3 the HEART health omega.
We are talking…DOUBLE the FATS of saturated animal fats of wild animal flesh that are also heart unhealthy.

FARM ANIMAL FLESH is higher than WILD animal flesh in Omega 6 due to the high omega 6 plant feed farm animals are fed !
They are also double the FAT levels of WILD animal flesh as that is how they are bred