"God gave us animals to eat,so it's ok"?
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Technology would seem to be a gradual process. However, when you research you will find that the Nazi's wanted to win
the war and take over the world. They were experimenting with and using ET spaceships and other technology. I understand
those humans who do not want to believe ET's exist, but even Christopher columbus, and many ancients through history,
knew ET's existed and saw spaceships.
FinnAnderson
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Maybe my reply is a bit late, but I’d like to share my thoughts. One approach could be to emphasize the values of kindness, compassion, and stewardship that are found in many religious traditions. You could also point out that many religious leaders and scholars advocate for animal welfare and veganism as a way to live in alignment with these values.
Brian W
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peacefulveglady
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The thing about this is there were no animal cruelty in the Bible days compared to modern era. They are two different issues. Noah took on meet eating as the whole planet was flooded and it took 1 full year til crops came in. Why did God allow men to eat meat after the flood? Couldn’t He have created vegetation for food?
I am invited to a family get together on May 20 and it would be the first, for me, in over 4 years - it is a my niece's home and there would be a brunch at 10:30 and dinner at 5 - when thinking about it and the fact that they will all be eating animal products of all types I felt a bit sick to my stomach and came up with the thought "it's okay to eat flesh/animals as long as you don't know its name"... this seems to be the thought process for most people - I know it isn't a new thought but it helped me to understand why it would upset me so much after all this time - they are all highly religious and would never consider eating human flesh or drinking human milk and yet what is the difference? my conclusion they don't know their food personally so they feel it is okay. A bit far out, I know, but it got me through the day and I have decided that if I do attend I will do so between 1-4 pm, get to see family that I haven't seen in many years and stay away from controversy. Cowardly, maybe, but the thought of seeing them all eat anything and everything is more than I wish to deal with right now.
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Brian W
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You are not far off. Sometimes when I am shopping I feel tempted by things like ready cooked chicken but if it was a live chicken that I had to kill myself, I wouldn't be remotely tempted. It would be interesting if all supermarket aisles had videos of animals being slaughtered by all the animal products. How many people would then try out plant based alternatives? It's the difference between the personal and the impersonal.
Back to the subject of God. just because something is permissible, doesn't make it ideal. I can't know completely the mind of God but I do know that he values compassion and I am therefore allowed to make compassionate choices.
Lou
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This echoes a very familiar "vegan philosophy".
Just because we can doesn’t mean we should. Just because we always have doesn’t mean we always have to. Once we know better, we should choose better.
Colleen Patrick-Goudreau
This also reminds me of all the awful stuff in the Old Testament.
Maybe best exemplified by President Bartlett.
I just learned that President Bartletts Harangue was inspired by this letter do Dr. Laura
Dear Dr. Laura,Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend homosexuality, for example, I will simply remind him or her that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other laws in Leviticus and Exodus and how to best follow them.
- When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Leviticus 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?
- I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as stated in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
- I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Leviticus 15:19-24). The problem is, how can I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
- Leviticus 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify?
- I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
- A friend of mine says that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Leviticus 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
- Leviticus 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's Word is eternal and unchanging. "
Brian W
Conscientious Christian
Brian W
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It can be challenging to reach Christians who believe that God gave us animals to eat. However, one approach could be to emphasize the importance of compassion and kindness towards all living beings. This aligns with the core teachings of many religions, including Christianity.
You could also point out that there are many passages in the Bible that emphasize compassion towards animals and the importance of treating them with kindness. For example, Proverbs 12:10 states, "The righteous care for the needs of their animals, but the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel."
You could also point out that there are many passages in the Bible that emphasize compassion towards animals and the importance of treating them with kindness. For example, Proverbs 12:10 states, "The righteous care for the needs of their animals, but the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel."
peacefulveglady
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I am sorry but Our God did intend give us animals to eat. Sorry to break it to the vegan community. What he does not condone is the exploiting the animals with fast food joints and other gluttony restaurants.
I am so sick of vegans attacking God in this way and calling God evil to giving animals to eat. You cannot cherry pick a Bible verse and say it reflects vegans. You got to understand that when the Bible was depicted it was a different world there were no animal cruelity back them like it was today.
FinnAnderson
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Though I have been a member of a pentacostal church for a long time, I fully share your opinion, and I’m sure that many believers will hear and understand your message if it is presented in a respectful and non-judgmental way. It's important to remember that change takes time and that everyone's spiritual journey is unique.
peacefulveglady
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Why is PETA changing the Bible? God is real clear not to add or take away the bible.
Revelation 22:19
19 and if anyone takes away from or distorts the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away [from that one] his share from the tree of life and from the holy city (new Jerusalem), which are written in this book.
Revelation 22:19
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19 and if anyone takes away from or distorts the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away [from that one] his share from the tree of life and from the holy city (new Jerusalem), which are written in this book.
Lou
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Brian W
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John is referring to Revelation. The Bible is not a book but a collection of books and writings.
peacefulveglady
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Its the word of God and if you or PETA changes the meaning of things in that book then there will be destruction on those that does.
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You think humans are attacking God? I disagree. No one is attacking God. My belief is that God created the ANIMALS before humans were created.
The animals were designed to be our companions, and we their caretakers, protectors, friends and stewards. NOT their betrayers and slaughterers of.
God loves all of the creatures made. There was no animal cruelty then? to kill an animal, it was held down while some human used a sharp knife to
slit its' throat. All of this while it cried out in pain aas it struggled to get free. It took several minutes for the animal to slowly bleed out and die against its' will to live. That is cruelty and violence 2000 years ago!. If you believe we were 'given' animals to kill than thats' your opinion.
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