Child Cruelty in the UK

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I am in total shock after reading the following story about a small boy that was abused and beaten to death by his mother and partner.

I wonder why we haven't learned enough from the tradgedy of Baby P case ?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ing-and-murdering-helpless-four-year-old.html

Baby P :

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/baby-ps-killers-the-untold-story-1770263.html

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Daniel RIP
 
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A truly horrible case :(

I wonder why we haven't learned enough from the tradedy of Baby P case ?
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Not much of one for defending social services (had a couple of run-ins with them) but fair is fair. They are in a bit of a cleft stick sometimes.

Uproar if they over-react/intervene (Orkney Isles case) and uproar if they get it wrong the other way around.

Piccie used, if I remember correctly from the news last night, was taken only a matter of weeks before this little boy was starved and beaten to death. Not too many clues as to what was to come in there?

One un-learned lesson from Baby P seems to be that 40/40 hindsight is in abundant supply whilst 40/40 foresight is exceptionaly rare.

I guess one other unlearned lesson is that the conditions that brutalise people to the degree they can do these things to children are still very much in place.
 
Rubbish. Sure there are going to be mistakes, but these cases where Child Services have been in contact with the family multiple times and still nothing is done. This is when criminal charges should be brought in. (and I'm not kidding). My sister works for Child and Family Services in the States, so I have a great deal of respect for the people who do this job. However, you can be blind as a bat and still see the abuse going on in some of these cases (like Baby P).

Urgh.
 
IamJen said:
Rubbish. Sure there are going to be mistakes, but these cases where Child Services have been in contact with the family multiple times and still nothing is done. This is when criminal charges should be brought in. (and I'm not kidding). My sister works for Child and Family Services in the States, so I have a great deal of respect for the people who do this job. However, you can be blind as a bat and still see the abuse going on in some of these cases (like Baby P).

Urgh.
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Agreed. In some cases, criminal charges really should be brought against the caseworkers.
 
IamJen said:
Rubbish. Sure there are going to be mistakes, but these cases where Child Services have been in contact with the family multiple times and still nothing is done. This is when criminal charges should be brought in. (and I'm not kidding). My sister works for Child and Family Services in the States, so I have a great deal of respect for the people who do this job. However, you can be blind as a bat and still see the abuse going on in some of these cases (like Baby P).

Urgh.
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Yes ! There is an undergoing investigation and a report will be published within 6 weeks time. The 'parents'
who were convicts and drug users) are the murders but others were also involved i.e. social workers, doctors and the school.
Daniel was starved for a period of 9 months ! He was stealing food from bins and eating raw beans in the school garden !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He was reduced to a ' bag of bones' ! No one noticed ????????????????????????

As I have previously stated, it seems that little has been learned since that awful Baby P case.
This poor little boy lay dying alone for 30 hours in a box room after having been partially drowned and beaten....................................................................!

My heart goes out to all these helpless children that are not protected by society from these monsters.

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So sad.

Apparently they got away with the fact he was a bag of bones & eating out of bins because they told the school/social services that he had some disease or illness which meant he was constantly hungry as his body couldn't absorb nutrients.

I mean, that sounds farfetched to anyone so why would they not have been asked for doctors or hospital notes or something?!

His parents told staff at the school to not allow him any lunch & to watch him to make sure he didn't steal from other children's lunchboxes. Not normal. & doesn't even fit with him having the disease he supposedly had. I just don't know why the school would even consider accepting to not feed a severely underweight child due to a 'disease' without even seeing doctors notes first.
 
raggle said:
So sad.

Apparently they got away with the fact he was a bag of bones & eating out of bins because they told the school/social services that he had some disease or illness which meant he was constantly hungry as his body couldn't absorb nutrients.

I mean, that sounds farfetched to anyone so why would they not have been asked for doctors or hospital notes or something?!

His parents told staff at the school to not allow him any lunch & to watch him to make sure he didn't steal from other children's lunchboxes. Not normal. & doesn't even fit with him having the disease he supposedly had. I just don't know why the school would even consider accepting to not feed a severely underweight child due to a 'disease' without even seeing doctors notes first.
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First class con artists ! Others were easily bluffed !

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IamJen said:
Rubbish.
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All of the below points are rubbish???

1. Uproar if they over-react/intervene (Orkney Isles case) and uproar if they get it wrong the other way around.

2. Piccie used, if I remember correctly from the news last night, was taken only a matter of weeks before this little boy was starved and beaten to death. Not too many clues as to what was to come in there?

3. One un-learned lesson from Baby P seems to be that 40/40 hindsight is in abundant supply whilst 40/40 foresight is exceptionaly rare.

4. I guess one other unlearned lesson is that the conditions that brutalise people to the degree they can do these things to children are still very much in place.


I am seriously questioning how much foresight was actualy needed in this case myself now, mind.

shyvas said:
First class con artists ! Others were easily bluffed !
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Undoubtedly so :(
 
Clueless Git said:
All of the below points are rubbish???



2. Piccie used, if I remember correctly from the news last night, was taken only a matter of weeks before this little boy was starved and beaten to death. Not too many clues as to what was to come in there?

3. One un-learned lesson from Baby P seems to be that 40/40 hindsight is in abundant supply whilst 40/40 foresight is exceptionaly rare.

4. I guess one other unlearned lesson is that the conditions that brutalise people to the degree they can do these things to children are still very much in place.






Undoubtedly so :(
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I would imagine that the pic was taken before he started to be starved ( a period of 9 months) as he seemed
quite happy at the time.

'The review will examine why police and social services did not get involved after staff at Daniel's school - Coventry Little Heath Primary School - noticed bruising on his neck and what appeared to be two black eyes'

The 2 social workers that were in charge of Baby P's case were sacked and lost their appeal over the latter :

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/mar/12/baby-p-social-workers-lose-appeal

In each case the 'father' figure was the mother's partner and these were both very young children. In Baby P's case, the social workers paid 60 visits to the home before he died. Both children were seen by a doctors just weeks before dying.
 
CG, I should've quoted the part to which I was responding:

"One un-learned lesson from Baby P seems to be that 40/40 hindsight is in abundant supply whilst 40/40 foresight is exceptionaly rare."
 
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Gotta love that many potheads receive longer sentences than someone who basically tortured and murdered a toddler.
 
IamJen said:
Gotta love that many potheads receive longer sentences than someone who basically tortured and murdered a toddler.
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You'll love this one then, Jen ...

The former head of Haringey children's services has agreed a six-figure payout for unfair dismissal, which could cost the council up to £600,000, BBC Newsnight understands.

In 2011, Sharon Shoesmith, who earned £133,000 a year, won a ruling that she was unfairly sacked after a damning report about the death of Baby Peter.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24715666
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^ No great loss to the human race. I wonder if it was suicide as I thought she had lost her appeal on her sentence? What makes somebody act that way towards a child.:(
 

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