Anyone else who is vegan in the whole but sometimes has non vegan items in times of energy loss or just strange cravings? I really feel it’s bad to consume dairy yet sometimes I do. It’s like I torment myself about how bad it is then I start craving dairy as a comfort food so I thought I’d reach out online to see if anyone else is suffering with this. I thought if there’s others then it could be possible to find comfort in each other’s thoughts instead of comfort in the dairy industry. When I first became vegan I was so enthused that I never thought I would seek dairy ever again. As a vegetarian beforehand I just wanted to be better than that and so went to a vegan detox centre and made the transition. I remember tasting their vegan food for the first time and thinking wow this is incredible and how I never want to eat anything else or leave the centre. I haven’t met many vegans since leaving others than noticing how many vegans there are online. I don’t think so many are long term vegans and don’t seem to have much to say. Maybe there isn’t much to say. Anyway, anyone else comfort eating I’m all ears.
Vegan yet sometimes I slip
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Lou
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Just my opinion, and I don't think it's that mainstream.
I don't believe any of us are 100% vegan.
For myself I think 97% is good enough.
The problem is that those people who attempt to be Perfect Vegans, drive themselves or everyone around them crazy.
Also there are no rewards or prizes given for perfect Vegan.
give yourself permission to be as vegan or not vegan as you want. It's not about the label it about the animals.
one of my favorite slogans is that veganism is not a goal - its a process. Compassion is the goal.
Veganism is just one way to live so that your lifestyle matches your values. .
I don't believe any of us are 100% vegan.
For myself I think 97% is good enough.
The problem is that those people who attempt to be Perfect Vegans, drive themselves or everyone around them crazy.
Also there are no rewards or prizes given for perfect Vegan.
give yourself permission to be as vegan or not vegan as you want. It's not about the label it about the animals.
one of my favorite slogans is that veganism is not a goal - its a process. Compassion is the goal.
Veganism is just one way to live so that your lifestyle matches your values. .
Hello there @Smileypotato123
When I first went Vegan over 30 years ago I remember having cravings or just being lazy and eating something that contained dairy - after going Vegan I never ate anything that was once a living being… That was a Very long time ago and now I don’t miss or even think about eating something that isn’t Vegan - Well it would be nice to have Tiramisu more often than I can find Vegan tiramisu, but I can live without it! What stops me from eating Non-Vegan food is thinking about the Animals - Is my Very short lived enjoyment of eating something Worth the Suffering that another living being had to Endure?
Well said, that's how i feel as well really. It's not possible to gain pleasure from eating a suffered animal and so why do? I guess I feel the same for plants that even veganism is plant abuse... and so to gain pleasure is not an acceptable way of life. I often wonder are we here by accident or has someone or something put us here to join them in confusion?
No, I don't really put any faith in plants being sentient. And we have to be able to eat something. We need to simply grant ourselves that right, that freedom, so to speak.
And no, we humans are here not by some grand design but as result of evolution, which is still incredibly awe-inspiring when you think about it. (But that is my personal conviction and you and everyone else are of course free to have your own convictions, thoughts, beliefs.)
Hello there Second Summer,
I used to think the same until I came across the mimosa pudica plant also known as the sensitive plant that moves away by closing its leaves together if you try to touch it. So who knows there's definitely an energy about plants that should be nurtured or respected otherwise resulting in obscenity perhaps.
I think it's a mix of a brilliant and awful psychic conversation. May luck be on your side.
I have been lucky in that I don't crave non-vegan food - my cravings tend to junk food like potato chips and cookies/cakes.
Emma JC
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This. I won't lie: I would love to be able to eat a greasy, cheesy pizza guilt-free, but knowing what I now know, there is no way I could consider it.
Hi - first l just want to say that l will not judge you , okay ? But - and there is a but ... the dairy industry is full of cruelty , and this is what would stop me from consciously eating any .. You do know , don't you , that there are many very yummy vegan alternatives to dairy ? I make a very yummy lima bean dip - just blended lima beans and generous amounts of tahini ... Basic and very "creamy" .. Can be eaten as is with a spoon or used as a dip or a spread on toast or whatever .. Also if you blend cashews and a bit of cocoa ( no nasty sugar required) this too is very "creamy" and delicious .. It can be a vegan dessert like "mousse" ..
I'm just trying to encourage you to find and /or make your own alternatives ..
By the way - l'm 65 and have been a vegan for 48 years . I became a vegetarian at 15 , then a vegan at 17 after l discovered the horrible cruelty in the dairy industry .. I have not knowingly eaten anything non-vegan since then .. I became a vegan way before most people even knew what a vegan is .
You can make your own "comfort" foods - as described above , with little effort .. ( I like basic cooking )
Sending you lots of encouragement and vegan love ,
from Ruthie
Thank you Ruthie for the encouragement thats exactly what I need. I live with my mother and she's isn't vegan and shes always trying to tempt me with non vegan things and thats how I slip. When I had my own flat I stayed 100% vegan... its just so hard when others are anti vegan. It's getting me down.
About plants being sentient: I have a lot of intense emotion about plants. I love being around them, and having them around me. I acknowledge that life as we know it would be impossible without them:
Plants are not only food for animals, but they produce oxygen as well. I'm including the blue-green algae- which are now thought of as more similar to bacteria than to the "higher" plants. Then you have the brown algae, which include kelp and sargassum; red algae, which include edible species such as nori and dulse, as well as nonedible species and the organism which causes red tide; golden algae; and the green algae, from which the multicellular plants arose. (I had to google a bit to refresh and confirm my memory about some of these)!
Still... important and fascinating as they are, there is no evidence that they are sentient... aware of anything. For one thing: they don't have sense organs or a nervous system. For another: what good would being able to feel do them, if they can't take action to escape or defend themselves? I cannot imagine how plants could be aware, the way I know animals are: the companion animals I have known; humpback whales; squirrels; the geese who fly over my area each spring and fall on their migrations; goldfishes I have kept; and even grasshoppers, moths, and earthworms.
Lou
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Those fakers who wrote the Secret Life Of Plants definetly muddied it up. (BTW, in case you haven't heard, none of the science in that book has been replicated. )
However we might also want to consider "forest intelligence".
And then there are animals who may not be intelligent or sentiment like barnacles.
not that any of those facts mean we should not harvest plants or harvest oysters.
Hey there @Lou why do you think that harvesting oysters is ok?
Perhaps they don’t have the level of intelligence that some creatures have, but they are Still living beings…
Even from a non Vegan perspective eating oysters is questionable - with the state of our Waters world wide being So polluted and oysters living in these waters it seems Very unhealthy… From what I’ve heard oysters act like a filter absorbing the pollution…
(emphasis mine) Yep. I was in college back in the 1970s. Botany was a major focus of my study. I remember one of my botany professors mentioning that the experiments or investigations which claimed to show emotion or intelligence in plants were never reproduced by officially-recognized scientists.
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Lou
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I have this memory of reading somewhere that later they admitted to making it all up but just now I looked for it and couldn't find it
Hi Smileypotato 123,
just keep following your heart - it knows the way .. Become loyal to your innermost truth .Follow the way when all others abandon it .Walk the Path of your own heart .
If it helps , put these words on a poster in your room .. And your mother ? Well , she probably thinks she knows best and wants the best for you , but if l were in your shoes , l would ask her to please show her love by respecting my core values -ensuring that she doesn't feel that you are disrespecting hers.
Some people , especially older people , can feel threatened by different perspectives ...
Be true to yourself - that is what will help you respect yourself , too ..
Best of wishes to you ..
Ruthie xx
