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  1. Graeme M

    "God gave us animals to eat,so it's ok"?

    Yes, and it is crystal clear that the original Creation was essentially "vegan". And apparently so will what comes next. But after the Fall (correct me if I am wrong here, as an atheist I am not *that* familiar with the bible), nature was corrupted and so carnivory came into being along with sin...
  2. Graeme M

    "God gave us animals to eat,so it's ok"?

    As I suggested back a few pages, I think the Christian bible offers ample scope for Christians to behave much as vegans do. I'm not sure why there is a need to prove Jesus was vegetarian or whatever, because it's clear from the bible that God permits people to use animals. And back then, using...
  3. Graeme M

    Advice regarding already bought food with milk in it

    Something to think about. Veganism is not the idea that you suddenly can't eat meat and milk etc. Rather, it's about not contributing to demand or the use/harm of other animals, as you note. So, eat those muffins because that's already happened. Of course some people find that they cannot in all...
  4. Graeme M

    "God gave us animals to eat,so it's ok"?

    Yes, that was partly the point of my blog post. Christians don't need to be vegan because the fundamental tenets of Christianity can guide one to the same attitudes and behaviours.
  5. Graeme M

    Can eggs be vegan-friendly?

    I agree, and I have rights-based reasons for saying so, though I don't think my reasoning resonates with the average person. I made the case on my blog for why I think the killing of pests is a lesser moral failure. The argument I made is that as Vegans/Animal Rights advocates, we seek to...
  6. Graeme M

    Can eggs be vegan-friendly?

    I find most vegans make some sort of general, global claim - that because animals eat some of the crops we produce, it somehow means vegans aren't responsible for the harms of cropping. I agree that on average, many vegans cause less harm than many non-vegans, but it isn't true that people could...
  7. Graeme M

    Can eggs be vegan-friendly?

    I guess I'd not have done that because presumably I would have to buy a replacement and there is no reason associated with veganism to get rid of already owned products. We still have many woolen and leather products from before we took on veganism. As to wool shearing, it can be a harmful...
  8. Graeme M

    "God gave us animals to eat,so it's ok"?

    Thanks for this, @silva, I had not seen or heard of this film before now. So this is a Q&A with the producers... I hope to watch it later. It looks like the actual doco is available here in March so I will go see it. I am curious about their angle. I have just published my blog post about the...
  9. Graeme M

    How do you deal with ex-vegans?

    Carnism is nuts but it's all over the internet. A lot of people love it...
  10. Graeme M

    "God gave us animals to eat,so it's ok"?

    Here are a couple of interesting things relevant to this thread. The first is that while discussing this with a Christian friend the other day, I came to wonder whether veganism and Christian ideals are really quite similar when it comes to how animals should be treated. Not exactly the same but...
  11. Graeme M

    How do you deal with ex-vegans?

    I agree that the animal ag industry has been very busy in recent times seeking to counter the vegan message. I would not be surprised to learn that the industry has media groups whose only job is to do just that. One of the odd things that has happened in the past few years is this carnivore...
  12. Graeme M

    How do you deal with ex-vegans?

    Ex-vegans are a curious bunch. Up front, I'll say it doesn't bother me if people eat some meat or whatever because they think they have to. As everyone knows from my other comments here, I don't believe in people being "vegan", whatever on earth that really means. For me, veganism is an idea...
  13. Graeme M

    livestock industry subsidies.

    What is the US Farm Bill and how does it subsidize animal ag? I know I could look it up but just wondered if you have a quick summary. I often hear how the fossil fuel industries are subsidized by governments, but I think that's a tricky use of words. Usually the vast majority are tax breaks...
  14. Graeme M

    Suggestions for vegan things to do

    Thanks for those thoughts, I especially like the idea of being more aware of local wildlife. Here where I live, we had a terrible drought a few years ago and many locals were putting out water bowls and food for wildlife which was very encouraging to see.
  15. Graeme M

    Suggestions for vegan things to do

    I'm hoping to write a blog post soon about simple things people can do that reflect vegan ethics. I'd be interested in suggestions, especially things that everyday folk can do that don't have to be about strict adherence to veganism. I know about the usual big concerns, but wondered if people...
  16. Graeme M

    Primary Motivations

    Horror at learning how pigs are farmed. I didn't know that we did that. It didn't especially bother me that cattle and sheep were farmed - I'd seen how that happens and had family with a dairy farm. But when I found out about CAFOs (factory farms) I simply could not believe we do something so...
  17. Graeme M

    Any vegans who are not huge foodies?

    I find the foodie thing a bit odd, but people like eating I guess. I watch some of these cooking shows and the fascination for dressing up food and savouring its flavour etc borders on a religious experience. For me food is usually just food. I have some things I like more than others but...
  18. Graeme M

    Prohibition on animal ingredients/involvement in any products?

    Why the prohibition on animal ingredients and/or involvement in any products? I often come across people being quite fastidious about whether or not animals have any involvement in their diet. For example, some folk object to eating food cooked on the same hotplate as meat or they won't touch...
  19. Graeme M

    Non vegans who 'care'&'love' Animals

    Just bringing the conversation back to the topic, I don't "love" animals, whatever that means (I really don't know what people mean when they say that). And I don't think most people do love animals. Instead, most people may have some wonder for some animals, they may prefer animals not to be...
  20. Graeme M

    Can eggs be vegan-friendly?

    Don't forget, the case I originally presented was being given free some eggs from well-cared for backyard chickens. There is no actual buying involved, so I was suggesting that in such cases I don't see anything that violates the chickens rights and it is therefore consistent with veganism. The...