- Joined
- Dec 2, 2017
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- Age
- 50
- Lifestyle
- Vegan
Take this as a perspective of a male who lived half his life in the USA,
but lives abroad now.
Over the course of the last 30 (I'm 46) years, I've watched, first from within,
then from without, some significant changes in the country. This is
a personal opinion from observation, although some statistical analysis
I have gone over plays a part in some of that observation.
- Homosexuality has gone from marginalized and (largely) tolerated, to being
pushed in schools and particular to pre-teen children in public education.
It is far more prevelant on talk shows, in sit-coms, and in movies and
is largely cast in either a neutral or positive light. Many sjw's will
say that it is part of the new enlightenment of tolerance and even forward
thinking or human progression, sort of like ending slavery or (some) white
men's bias against other men who are not white.
Although there is some truth in this, I feel on the whole it is way
overstated. Even when I lived in the USA I became acutely aware that
violence against homosexuals made the media far more often than violence
by homosexuals against non-homosexuals and particularly against children.
- The media bias (all media: news, television, entertainment and even internet) has reached such a point that even speaking out for a conservative view (such as that homosexuality is a sin or unnatural) on Facebook can attract a huge amount of negative attention, accusations of 'homophobia' and has even cost some people their jobs)
- Gay marriage is now a thing. If one is opposed to this, you are, by and
large, labeled derogatory titles in the media.
- Under Obama, transgenderism has seen some of the same changes both in
how it's portrayed in media and even in the law. In some areas, to
ridiculous degrees.
- The rise of 3rd wave Feminism, the trampling of men's rights in divorce,
and the MGTOW movement that has partly resulted from these things.
- Men are often portrayed negatively in media focusing on families. They
are consistently seen as bafoons and oafs, or they are stereotyped at
the opposite extreme, as women bashers. Even though a substantial percentage
of domestic violence is initiated by, and executed by women, there is
little public recognition of this. There are no men's shelters. In
domestic violence cases it is assumed the man was the aggressor.
Poor parenting and even abuse by women towards men or to children
rarely makes the news and if it does, it rarely garners national
attention, usually just local.
Given this backdrop, I can understand a man's cynicism and distrust of
veganism. It may not be so much a clinging to so called "manly values",
but rather seen as yet one more way in which their very gender is being
marginalized to the point of being irrelevant. Of course this is irrational
and stems in part from ignorance and exaggerated fear (such as illustrated
in the article about soy and breasts), but it exists in the backdrop of
the things I mentioned above. If none of the aforementioned things were
present, I think many more men would be open to being vegan.
but lives abroad now.
Over the course of the last 30 (I'm 46) years, I've watched, first from within,
then from without, some significant changes in the country. This is
a personal opinion from observation, although some statistical analysis
I have gone over plays a part in some of that observation.
- Homosexuality has gone from marginalized and (largely) tolerated, to being
pushed in schools and particular to pre-teen children in public education.
It is far more prevelant on talk shows, in sit-coms, and in movies and
is largely cast in either a neutral or positive light. Many sjw's will
say that it is part of the new enlightenment of tolerance and even forward
thinking or human progression, sort of like ending slavery or (some) white
men's bias against other men who are not white.
Although there is some truth in this, I feel on the whole it is way
overstated. Even when I lived in the USA I became acutely aware that
violence against homosexuals made the media far more often than violence
by homosexuals against non-homosexuals and particularly against children.
- The media bias (all media: news, television, entertainment and even internet) has reached such a point that even speaking out for a conservative view (such as that homosexuality is a sin or unnatural) on Facebook can attract a huge amount of negative attention, accusations of 'homophobia' and has even cost some people their jobs)
- Gay marriage is now a thing. If one is opposed to this, you are, by and
large, labeled derogatory titles in the media.
- Under Obama, transgenderism has seen some of the same changes both in
how it's portrayed in media and even in the law. In some areas, to
ridiculous degrees.
- The rise of 3rd wave Feminism, the trampling of men's rights in divorce,
and the MGTOW movement that has partly resulted from these things.
- Men are often portrayed negatively in media focusing on families. They
are consistently seen as bafoons and oafs, or they are stereotyped at
the opposite extreme, as women bashers. Even though a substantial percentage
of domestic violence is initiated by, and executed by women, there is
little public recognition of this. There are no men's shelters. In
domestic violence cases it is assumed the man was the aggressor.
Poor parenting and even abuse by women towards men or to children
rarely makes the news and if it does, it rarely garners national
attention, usually just local.
Given this backdrop, I can understand a man's cynicism and distrust of
veganism. It may not be so much a clinging to so called "manly values",
but rather seen as yet one more way in which their very gender is being
marginalized to the point of being irrelevant. Of course this is irrational
and stems in part from ignorance and exaggerated fear (such as illustrated
in the article about soy and breasts), but it exists in the backdrop of
the things I mentioned above. If none of the aforementioned things were
present, I think many more men would be open to being vegan.
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