Is gender transition therapy acceptable?

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Hormone replacement therapy (HRT) can involve substances derived from animals. And all options are surely tested on animals. And operations are surely tested on animals. Gender transition is not medically necessary, so it doesn't seem to me it could possibly be justified under vegan terms. What do you think?
 

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So does your computer, which is definitely not necessary
 

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Vegans can't say they are in favour of animal products or use, but they are probably mostly left wing and won't take any position that has any even slight whiff of transphobia so it kinds of makes this hard for them to respond to this.

It might work better if you state whether you are a vegan yourself or supportive of veganism generally? I think people will more likely engage with the topic if they see you are coming to the vegan forum as a vegan or person transitioning to veganism. And understand that you are supportive of the broad goals of veganism. First posts like this will make people wonder, even if unjustified in your case, just because in the past we had several people coming along with the type of posts where it isn't clear
---firstly what the intention is behind it
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---secondly whether the benefit to the forum of interesting intellectual debate like this outweighs the disruption and risk of argument in potentially awkward cases and turning off new posters and creating the wrong environment for a happy forum.

Some vegans sometimes tend towards an absolutism in their beliefs, and are reluctant to want to address this kind of question or admit that veganism should be more balanced against other concerns in a way that might mean in some occasional cases the better solution involves a small amount of animal suffering. But not all think like that.

Personally I suspect that the animal suffering caused by animal products and testing (assuming there is any) is probably minimal compared to the suffering of a trans person that really wanted to go ahead with gender transition and might be denied. Therefore the decision whether to go ahead should be made mostly based on the person's happiness and understanding of their identity, with veganism being a minor or zero part of that decision. Once the decision to go ahead is made, it may be appropriate to consider veganism I think in terms of which of various different treatments to get, but only as one factor in the decision, and only if the person who is transitioning wants to. And they should feel no guilt about choosing not to even bother considering it, even if they are an outspoken hardcore vegan, given the other stresses and difficulties that they likely face at this time - or indeed at any time.

Your comment "gender transition is not medically necessary" seems correct from the point of view of physical health but if we consider mental health, and consider that mental health is often underrated and also connected to physical health, some people with gender dysphoria do feel that a transition is necessary; it is necessary to their core identity and happiness.
 

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Personally I suspect that the animal suffering caused by animal products and testing (assuming there is any) is probably minimal compared to the suffering of a trans person that really wanted to go ahead with gender transition and might be denied. Therefore the decision whether to go ahead should be made mostly based on the person's happiness and understanding of their identity, with veganism being a minor or zero part of that decision. Once the decision to go ahead is made, it may be appropriate to consider veganism I think in terms of which of various different treatments to get, but only as one factor in the decision, and only if the person who is transitioning wants to. And they should feel no guilt about choosing not to even bother considering it, even if they are an outspoken hardcore vegan, given the other stresses and difficulties that they likely face at this time - or indeed at any time.
^THIS^

The foundations of all medicine, of pretty much everything--every item we touch (like the keyboard you're using), more than likely has been affected by the use of animals in testing or manufacturing processes or the item themselves. We cannot avoid everything. We can only go forward.
The same is true of the use of people against their will as it of animals.

As for "not medically necessary", that can be compared to most every operation someone can find ways to live without, how about having children? Comparatively I can't think of much else people do that would be have such impact--why pick on gender identity?

We can't change the past, we can change the future. If we were to never touch things that have been formulated by animal exploitation literally everything would cease to exist and that stance would be to kill off the human race. We can't even agree on human reparations for those that had been impacted by the slave trade here in America! or any human inequities!

As a vegan, I do judge according to peoples personal needs. I don't expect a person with a family, living pay to pay, to avoid as much as I would someone with higher income and more resources. I expect the same in all areas
 

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Hormone replacement therapy (HRT) can involve substances derived from animals. And all options are surely tested on animals. And operations are surely tested on animals. Gender transition is not medically necessary, so it doesn't seem to me it could possibly be justified under vegan terms. What do you think?
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According to the University of Rochester Medical Center, United States:

"Bioidentical hormones are produced in the laboratory from plants (wild yams, cactus, or soy), but the structures and functions of these hormones are identical to that of the hormones made by the body. While wild yams had been used since the 18th century to treat menstrual cramps, in the 1950s scientists identified the phytoestrogen, diosgenin, in the plant roots, which could be chemically converted to such hormones as progesterone, estrogen, testosterone, DHEA, and cortisol.

The bioidentical hormone story, therefore, starts in the laboratory where the phytoestrogens are extracted from plants."


LInk: Clarifying The Terms
 
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I'm quite curious why @twitterbook posted this example?
There are so many other procedures that could be questioned
How about the newly approved pig heart?
 

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How about the newly approved pig heart?
The podcast RadioLab just did a thing on pig kidneys. they interviewed the woman who had that meat allergy from the Lone Star Tick. It seems like she has become vegan in the meantime and isn't so thrilled about pigs being raised for organ transplants.

One point made during the show is that killing an animal to save a person's life is way more ethically justifiable than killing an animal because you like they way they taste.

I guess it sort of depends on where you put gender transition on the medically necessary spectrum. Like many things in the vegan/non vegan discussion it's a personal decision.
 
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Interesting question, are there alternatives to using animal pharmaceuticals?.
However there are tons of products most humans who are vegan do not realize are not vegan.
Even healthy looking or organic maple syrup can contain animal fat and not say so on the label.
There has been a lot of stress around for two years because of the immense fear created around the
manipulated covid "flu". Billions of humans have made the choice to get an untested medical toxic liquid
injected into them, I call it the jab. Some have chosen to get two, as well as "boosters". The
ingredients in the jabs are not there to promote health. Doctors have not studied the ingredients or
the multiple side effects of them which have included seizures, paralysis, immune disorders, severe heart problems,
clotting, and death. The ingredients include graphene oxide (metallic), aluminum (linked to seizures, alzheimers,
and brain damage), formaldehyde, dna from animals such as dogs, pigs, chickens, horses, cows, and, dna
from aborted human fetuses. You need to understand that the pharmaceutical companies that make the jabs
are IMMUNE FROM PROSECUTION from any side effects or death. The Doctors who give the jabs are also immune
from prosecution for any side effects or deaths. Does this fact make you confident in the safety of the jabs?.
Detox using zinc, D3. wheatgrass juice, NAC, quercetin, and yes, ivermectin. Look up Dr. Sherry Tenpenny, (David
Wolfe (vegan), Dr. Mercola, and the frontline doctors) and watch her videos. Get on alternative websites like www.brighteon.com
and watch the videos, as youutbe, like the mainstream media, is censoring the truth. Peace.