Honestly the hungry people who have deficiencies that go back from being vegan are about 99 percent of the time orthorexics like you who try overly hard to eat perfectly.
LOL. 1 year, 2months strong. Not a single cheat, no appreciable deficiencies that aren’t broad spectrum across all diet types (Vit d) and no hunger after meals once I learned what I was doing. Oh, and do orthorexics drink beer in any appreciable amounts which I have mentioned in numerous posts that you couldn’t possibly miss? I also occasionally use oil or eat products that have just a little.
You are wrong about your statistics. Most people don’t even make it 3-6 months eating Vegan, and not because they are orthorexic. If people are relying on vegan “junk” as a meat replacement and still eating very low on the fiber side (the majority of Westerners) then it is a simple fact:
They will not develop enough of the right bacteria in their colons to stay satiated. It’s not about one impossible burger, or one clump of pea or soy protein isolate mixed with oil, flavored and made to look and like a chicken nugget – it’s about a reliance on them – too much of them, especially in combination with other low fiber commonly eaten foods – like white rice, white pasta, white bread, white sugar etc.
I mentioned this point of excess/reliance in my very first sentence of the post you responded to, and you keep setting up strawman after strawman in your responses. Why? My original post wasn’t even directed to you. Did I hit a nerve?
They usually end up starving themselves slowly with a lack of calories, fat or protein then blame a vegan diet for not being substantial enough, so they just had to turn to eggs or whatever. Marveling that a diet of sprouts and quinoa didn't suffice.
Sprouts and quinoa(also a seed that can sprout) I would wager to say would be more than enough biologically if eaten to satiation and especially if among the sprouts were some fatty type seeds like sesame/flax etc. Such a diet is mentioned in the book of Daniel as super healthy, so it’s interesting to see you mock it given your interest in Jewish literature.
People who have a normal relaxed attitude towards eating a veggie burger sometimes usually are the ones who stay vegan.
I don’t have anything against veggie burgers. What’s being referred to in this thread is something that isn’t real, it’s complete or near complete junk. Real veggie burgers are made with real whole veggies – not a mishmash of protein extracts, oil and other isolates with a few herbs and flavor enhancers thrown in for taste along with some synthetic vitamins and a few minerals. If you think that’s a veggie burger you might be confused as to what a real veggie is. An irony particular to someone who identifies as vegan.
What the data does show is that these type of Junk products are favored by MEAT EATERS, primarily. They think it’s what most vegans eat long term and depend on. A few months of eating like they did before (low veggies, low fruit, low nuts and seeds, low legumes, low whole grains) and eating stripped grains and just replacing the meat with faux meat is imo a sure fire way for people to get the wrong idea – especially when (not if!) they get hungry. And if it’s low fiber long term – they will most definitely be!
Just out of curiosity - would you be happy or feel any satisfaction whatsoever if I went back to eating animal products including meat? Because I have this weird feeling from your words that you might get a smile of satisfaction if I did happen to screw up.
Private joke for Bash using nerds like me:
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#open 1 terminal, only
#do not use sudo
#do not use tmux for terminal emulation
terminaluser$
find / -name “*straw” > mansplain &
#When you get a prompt
find / *.* &
#Ctl-C, Ctl-C, Ctl-C won’t work…..weeeeee!!!!!!!!!
#when you figure out how to escape, don’t forget mansplain. He knows where all the straw is kept
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Vegan "junk food" actually has a lot of protein in some cases and in others is actually fortified.
You actually perpetuate the protein myth as a multi year vegan and previous multi year vegetarian? I find it difficult to believe you’ve been a veggie so long. Seriously? Are you not aware that by World Health Organization standards the recommended protein for humans on a daily basis is a mere 0.8 grams per kilogram of (ideal) body weight? Someone eating natural plant foods to satiation which include enough whole grains, legumes, seeds and nuts cannot possibly have a protein deficiency even if they are bodybuilding.
Also painting veganism as some sort of health food state of permanent deprivation works poorly on a lot of people psychologically in American culture.
But pushing a junk food diet that is as low in fiber and resistant starch, which the standard western diet is, is advisable for keeping vegans long term? Yeah...
Someone who doesn’t eat or believe in eating excessive animal free junk food (the theme of this thread and my original post that you responded to) is painting veganism “as some sort of health food state of permanent deprivation” ? ? Just – wow. Bring on the Daiya and Impossible Burgers – I might get protein or fat deficient, or my fond memories of eating dead corpses and animal secretions might be threatened...and that can’t happen – even if it’s faux I must have it...Lol...I’m dying here...
The fact that you think Alex Pacheco is a vegan YouTuber is just weird. It's like thinking Peter Singer was one of the Beatles.
My quote:
Your examples of famous vegans/youtubers are really irrelevant unless you can A)List the exact ingredients in what they ate and B) know for certain exactly what % of that constituted their diet. "Eating out of the can" doesn't qualify for either of those, sorry.
...doesn’t communicate that. I didn’t and don’t know who these people are, and don’t care. Even if I did know and did care, they wouldn’t be in my SuperUserVegan Credentials book, which I’m not interested in having. Oh and your response is yet another straw man. Set em up, knock em down.