Capitalism = Fascism

Forster

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I think the word you are looking for is corporatism not capitalism.

Right now, there is a lot of talk about the evils of "capitalism". But it is not really accurate to say that we live in a capitalist system. Rather, what we have in the United States today, and what most of the world is living under, is much more accurately described as "corporatism". Under corporatism, most wealth and power is concentrated in the hands of giant corporations and big government is used as a tool by these corporations to consolidate wealth and power even further. In a corporatist system, the wealth and power of individuals and small businesses is dwarfed by the overwhelming dominance of the corporations. Eventually, the corporations end up owning almost everything and they end up dominating nearly every aspect of society. As you will see below, this very accurately describes the United States of America today. Corporatism is killing this country, and it is not what our founding fathers intended...
http://endoftheamericandream.com/ar...e-our-economy-that-every-american-should-know
 

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It is humans that are flawed, at least within the context of modern life. Any government (including no government), no matter how well thought out and with the greatest of intentions, will eventually exhibit those flaws once it's people, from the tax payers to the leaders and politicians, learn how to manipulate it for their own benefit.
 

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It is humans that are flawed, at least within the context of modern life. Any government (including no government), no matter how well thought out and with the greatest of intentions, will eventually exhibit those flaws once it's people, from the tax payers to the leaders and politicians, learn how to manipulate it for their own benefit.

Yep, which is why I like this quote."The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants." We're overdue.
 
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It is humans that are flawed, at least within the context of modern life. Any government (including no government), no matter how well thought out and with the greatest of intentions, will eventually exhibit those flaws once it's people, from the tax payers to the leaders and politicians, learn how to manipulate it for their own benefit.
Agreed.

Yep, which is why I like this quote."The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants." We're overdue.

For an armed revolution? Quite apart from the ethics and efficacy of such a *solution*, the real problem at present consists of the apathy, ignorance and limited attention span of the people. Revolution ain't gonna fix that.
 

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For an armed revolution? Quite apart from the ethics and efficacy of such a *solution*, the real problem at present consists of the apathy, ignorance and limited attention span of the people. Revolution ain't gonna fix that.

If people weren't so ignorant and apathetic there would be an uprising. Doesn't have to be an armed revolution but even demonstrations/revolts can turn bloody. Just look at some of the stuff that has gone on in Greece and the Mid East. I doubt anything will change in my lifetime, but inevitably it will.
 
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IMO, in a country that has elections and where people can vote how they want without physical threat, the most effective way to effect change is through the ballot box. We can't be bothered to even do that. Demonstrations are useful for whipping up interest, but our interest (in the U.S.) seems to be really short lived. It's very similar to the phenomenon of intense public grief over the death of a celebrity that we've been seeing in recent years. The powers that be know that public outrage over any given issue is a passing phase that will not carry through with enough force until the next election, so there's no reason to do anything other than pay lip service to it.

If we don't have the will to change things with our votes, we don't have the will for a revolution. And even a revolution only effects temporary change, unless the people actually change.

You cite Greece and the Mideast. What has actually changed significantly, despite all the bloodshed?