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I assumed that most people in vegan forms strongly support PETA. Is this assumption true?

Does anyone participate in animal rights groups in their local area?
 

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I am a card-carrying member of PETA. I give credit to PETA for starting me on my vegan journey. Their websites were my first sources of good information. So they are also somewhat responsible for keeping me vegan.

I used to be more involved with them. Their world headquarters is not that far away from here. But mostly my "activist attention span" become most concerned with National Politics.

But, no, not all vegans support or even like PETA. Some think their "style" is too over the top. Some find faults with their ad campaigns. And they lost a good deal of support with their animal shelter program.
 

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I have a love/hate relationship with Peta. I live in central VA and have known many people who've worked for them over the years (they're based in Norfolk, VA). Peta really lost a lot of respect a few years back with they made those awful decisions to gather up stray dogs and "accidentally" euthanized someone's pet chihuahua and then completely blew the public relations about the fiasco. Andy they could never justify the number of domestic animals they euthanized (granted, most were homeless, sick or had behavior issues) when they never had a physical shelter and thus couldn't offer a rehoming program for the animals brought to them. And then there was their porn site…???

But, I went vegan after watching Meet Your Meat back in 2005 so they definitely change hearts and do good in this world.
 
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I went vegan after watching Meet Your Meat back in 2005 so they definitely change hearts and do good in this world.

I found a DVD someone left on a mailbox at my university around that same time. I wish I'd gone vegan then...but it really stuck with me and I might not have ever become vegan if I hadn't seen it.

I generally like PETA and their tactics. I don't pay a lot of attention to the details though.
 

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I love PETA! They do everything they can t help animals which i admire! I found out about them from another forum several years ago. They helped me go vegan .They only euthanize animals that are severely ill that can not be healed. A lot of people don't seem to understand that.
I like their action alerts. I send a lot of emails to companies, universities, etc to speak up for animals.
 
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I love PETA! They do everything they can t help animals which i admire! I found out about them from another forum several years ago. They helped me go vegan .They only euthanize animals that are severely ill that can not be healed. A lot of people don't seem to understand that.
I like their action alerts. I send a lot of emails to companies, universities, etc to speak up for animals.

I wish that were true. The reality is that Peta euthanizes nearly all the animals that comes through its doors, including healthy kittens and puppies. To be fair, it does encourage people who want to surrender healthy animals to go to a shelter instead, but like in most places, shelters are frequently full and can't take owner surrenders without a wait. Please google Peta and euthanasia and you'll find a lot of articles on their practices. FYI, they also support BSL - breed specific legislation - and would not support the rescue and rehabilitation of Michael Vick's rescued pit bulls.
 

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I wish that were true. The reality is that Peta euthanizes nearly all the animals that comes through its doors, including healthy kittens and puppies. To be fair, it does encourage people who want to surrender healthy animals to go to a shelter instead, but like in most places, shelters are frequently full and can't take owner surrenders without a wait. Please google Peta and euthanasia and you'll find a lot of articles on their practices. FYI, they also support BSL - breed specific legislation - and would not support the rescue and rehabilitation of Michael Vick's rescued pit bulls.

How do you know they euthanize healthy animals? They say they don't and why would they. Most no kill shelters fill up so the only alternative these animals have are the pound or to starve to death on the street. PETA provides free and low cost spay and neuter in the poor or working class Appalachian region, and rescues stray or abused animals. Then they place them in homes, move the most adoptable remaining ones to traditional shelters, keep a few then have to euthanize the sick, dying and completely unadoptable because again, starving to death on the street is a thing, and animal hoarding is against the law.

My vegetarian friend who has a private no kill cat shelter supports PETA. I honestly think you're repeating propaganda. Most people in the West are unrealistic about the state of homeless or abused animals. At least PETA does something about it.
 
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Yes I support PETA. Not blindly, I disagree with them at times, but they do profoundly important legal things that impact entire nations, states or industries. Their most important work is "big picture" and I think vegans who don't get that are just ignorant about what PETAs methods are.

I understand some people don't like their theatrics but any vegan who doesn't acknowledge their big picture work has no idea what they're talking about. Period. Their goal isnt to be liked or to convert individuals but to change entire systems of brutality.
 

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How do you know they euthanize healthy animals? They say they don't and why would they. Most no kill shelters fill up so the only alternative these animals have are the pound or to starve to death on the street. PETA provides free and low cost spay and neuter in the poor or working class Appalachian region, and rescues stray or abused animals. Then they place them in homes, move the most adoptable remaining ones to traditional shelters, keep a few then have to euthanize the sick, dying and completely unadoptable because again, starving to death on the street is a thing, and animal hoarding is against the law.

My vegetarian friend who has a private no kill cat shelter supports PETA. I honestly think you're repeating propaganda. Most people in the West are unrealistic about the state of homeless or abused animals. At least PETA does something about it.


A couple of links from reputable news orgs:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...4e9af2-c8fa-11e4-bea5-b893e7ac3fb3_story.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/17/peta-sorry-for-taking-girls-dog-putting-it-down


Peta is controversial at best. They do indeed provide lots of free or low-cost spay and neuter services. They encourage lots of people to go vegan. They pretty much single-handedly got rid of Ringling Brothers. And they euthananize a lot of animals every single year. My personal interpretation of their corporate action is that they simply do not distinguish between pets and livestock. Why should money go to saving a litter of homeless puppies when it has been previously budgeted for marketing material to save chickens?

Of course the real problem is our society's insistence fancy pure-bred dogs and the preponderance of puppy mills.

https://www.peta.org/about-peta/why-peta/euthanasia/
 
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I can't exactly remember my impression of PETA as an omnivore, just vaguely that I thought they were a preachy organization that promoted a diet I thought most people would be perpetually hungry on. Little did I know.

I don't feel I have enough info to have an opinion of the organization, however I can appreciate some of their more clever
commercials now as a vegan:


 

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Other than that, where do I start?

The sexism in their campaigns?
Their partnering with exploiters to applaud slightly better ways of killing animals for food?
The fact that they raise millions (often from non-vegan supporters) and spend most of it on senseless campaigns?

I used to support PETA for a time, but I do not anymore.
 

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Statistics are meaningless taken out of context. I have a science degree, and this is a thing.

I'm editing this now to re-explain what I thought I had already explained. PETA shelter is a "last resort" that isn't suffering, slow death, homelessness, sickness, starvation etc. They place every animal they can ELSEWHERE, so of course most remaining animals are euthanized. Vegans who don't understand euthanasia live on Fantasy Island. PETA isnt the problem, people who don't spay or neuter their pets and/or abandon them outside are.

As an undergrad we spent one whole class period looking at how conservative think tanks manipulate statistics dishonestly or in isolation to deny climate science. You really should be more suspicious of meat eaters, which means most mainstream media.
 
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PETA pioneered the modern animal rights movement.

On the other hand, in the past, I think that some of PETA's public outreach campaigns may have done more harm than good:


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I’m not a fan but I can’t hate them, either. In 2004, (I was 52) a co-worker handed me a PETA magazine and it was the beginning of the vegetarian/vegan journey for me. Forever grateful for that.
 

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Statistics are meaningless taken out of context. I have a science degree, and this is a thing.

Sure, tell me again how it is statistically meaningless that out of 1,992 animals that were given to their shelters in 2011, they killed 1911 (surely, all of those must have been incurably ill).

You might want to check if your university is offering refunds.

They are not contesting that their strategy is to simply kill unwanted animals handed to their shelters, and say the blame lies with the owners. Ingrid Newkirk has publicly confirmed that, and it is indeed a position one can take.

I simply blame them for the business decision they made at some point to invest most of the money they raise into super expensive and (IMO) meaningless ads and not allocate more of it to caring for animals in their shelters.
 
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Statistics are meaningless taken out of context. I have a science degree, and this is a thing.

I'm editing this now to re-explain what I thought I had already explained. PETA shelter is a "last resort" that isn't suffering, slow death, homelessness, sickness, starvation etc. They place every animal they can ELSEWHERE, so of course most remaining animals are euthanized. Vegans who don't understand euthanasia live on Fantasy Island. PETA isnt the problem, people who don't spay or neuter their pets and/or abandon them outside are.

As an undergrad we spent one whole class period looking at how conservative think tanks manipulate statistics dishonestly or in isolation to deny climate science. You really should be more suspicious of meat eaters, which means most mainstream media.

Peta doesn't have a shelter. Let me repeat: PETA DOESN'T HAVE A SHELTER. They have a fancy water-front office building in Norfolk where they have a few rooms set aside for dealing with non-employee animals for whatever reason and a cinder block building out back where they perform a lot of euthanasias. (The employees are allowed to bring their well-behave animals to work.)

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You might want to check out this NYT article (not highly likely to come from a conservative think tank)

 

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Living in Europe, I can not envisage the kind of mindset that a "shelter" would immediately kill 95 % of the animals that are handed over to them.

I understand not every animal can find a new home, but "rescuing" an animal only in order to kill it immediately?

Why not simply send hunters or policemen with guns to places where animals are kept in poor condition to murder them on the spot and call it "animal welfare" ... :mad:
 

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Living in Europe, I can not envisage the kind of mindset that a "shelter" would immediately kill 95 % of the animals that are handed over to them.

I understand not every animal can find a new home, but "rescuing" an animal only in order to kill it immediately?

Why not simply send hunters or policemen with guns to places where animals are kept in poor condition to murder them on the spot and call it "animal welfare" ... :mad:

To be completely fair, it's my understanding that Peta actually tries to do a "kind" euthanasia - the environment is clean, the staff well-trained and the animals are respected as much as possible under these circumstances.

But, yeah….