News 84 dead in Bastille Day terror attack (Nice, France)
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I thought it was just a lorry that had gone out of control when I first saw the footage of the people running away and then the programme I was watching last night was interrupted and said they thought it was a terror attack. Lots of children and young people were there. So awful.
It would almost impossible to stop an incident like this with the coward using a truck as a weapon.
It would almost impossible to stop an incident like this with the coward using a truck as a weapon.
Parents were throwing their children over fences to save them from the truck.
Bastille Day partygoers throw children to safety as truck attack sparks stampede | World news | The Guardian
I was just thinking when I watched the Euro 2016 final the other night that France only had one terror incident recently as they thought the country would be a target. It was a terrible attack on a policeman and his wife. French police officer and partner murdered in 'odious terrorist attack' | World news | The Guardian
Bastille Day partygoers throw children to safety as truck attack sparks stampede | World news | The Guardian
I was just thinking when I watched the Euro 2016 final the other night that France only had one terror incident recently as they thought the country would be a target. It was a terrible attack on a policeman and his wife. French police officer and partner murdered in 'odious terrorist attack' | World news | The Guardian
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Yes, but I'm sure it will be argued, now that the identity of the attacker is established (a Tunisian-born 31-year-old man), that the risk of these kinds of attacks can be decreased by completely stopping immigration from certain areas of the world etc.
Another way to prevent this kind of attacks would be to computerize vehicles more, so that basically the computer "says no" if it thinks the vehicle is at risk of harming people.
robert99
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This seemed an odd story from the outset. A supposed terrorist has a truck/lorry full of weapons and just mows down people?
Since the man was n't religous and was in the middle of a divorce I'd say it was just one angry man (would be interesting to know if he had alcohol in his body). This sounds more like Mattias Flink ( Mattias Flink - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) or Derrick Bird ( Cumbria shootings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )
Since the man was n't religous and was in the middle of a divorce I'd say it was just one angry man (would be interesting to know if he had alcohol in his body). This sounds more like Mattias Flink ( Mattias Flink - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) or Derrick Bird ( Cumbria shootings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )
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From this article:
So the Nice attacker/terrorist didn't have a history as an observant Muslim. Is it the case that his Muslim heritage coupled with unlucky life circumstances and France's "involvement" in the Middle East, together contributed to what happened in Nice? Isn't that more troubling than the idea that Islamist terrorism is only perpetrated by observant Muslims who go through a radicalization process which transforms them into Jihadi mass murderers? Is now everyone with a Muslim background suddenly a potential threat? Does this justify Donald Trump's proposed "Muslim ban"?
I guess it justifies it the same way that the massacre in Norway justifies the ban on Norwegian males, the school shootings in the U.S. justify the ban on male adolescents, the workplace shootings in the U.S. justifies the ban on male employees, etc. etc.
Hell, I think I've stumbled on the answer - let's just ban all males from everywhere.
robert99
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Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel: Who was Nice attacker? - BBC News
He also did not seem overtly religious. Locals said he was often seen drinking beer and never attended the small mosque near his block of flats.
Inside the lorry, police found one automatic pistol, bullets and two replica assault rifles, as well as another fake pistol and a dummy grenade.
Mr Molins said Lahouaiej-Bouhlel was "totally unknown" to French intelligence services, and was "never flagged for signs of radicalisation".
He also did not seem overtly religious. Locals said he was often seen drinking beer and never attended the small mosque near his block of flats.
Inside the lorry, police found one automatic pistol, bullets and two replica assault rifles, as well as another fake pistol and a dummy grenade.
Mr Molins said Lahouaiej-Bouhlel was "totally unknown" to French intelligence services, and was "never flagged for signs of radicalisation".
I just saw that the Prime Minister was booed at the memorial service.Nice terror attack: Manuel Valls booed at memorial service to victims on Promenade des Anglais | Europe | News | The Independent
I heard someone on TV saying that the mood in France after the Paris attacks was very sad, but now the French public are feeling much more angry after this attack.
I heard someone on TV saying that the mood in France after the Paris attacks was very sad, but now the French public are feeling much more angry after this attack.
robert99
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"Many blame President Francois Hollande's Socialist administration for falling to prevent the three major Isis-inspired terror attacks on French soil in the past 18 months which have now killed more than 200 people.
Mr Hollande and Mr Valls were also booed and jeered at by onlookers on Friday when they visited the site of the attack on the promenade with Mr Estrosi."
also French PM booed at ceremony for Nice truck attack victims
There were shouts of “Murderers!” and “Resign!” as Valls and two other ministers left the seafront, where a huge crowd gathered to remember the 84 people mowed down by the truck driver, Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel. There were also placards in the crowd calling for the French president, François Hollande, to resign.
The incident highlighted how three days of national mourning have been overshadowed by an intensifying debate about whether the government has done enough to respond to terrorism.
I suppose the French could ban all immigrants from driving "heavy vehicles" ...
Back in 2003 a man drove a hire car into Stockholm's Old Town's most popular pedestrians- only street. 2 died and 15 were injured. Not a terrorist, just crazy - said the car was remote-controlled ... 50-åring åtalas för vansinnesfärd
Mr Hollande and Mr Valls were also booed and jeered at by onlookers on Friday when they visited the site of the attack on the promenade with Mr Estrosi."
also French PM booed at ceremony for Nice truck attack victims
There were shouts of “Murderers!” and “Resign!” as Valls and two other ministers left the seafront, where a huge crowd gathered to remember the 84 people mowed down by the truck driver, Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel. There were also placards in the crowd calling for the French president, François Hollande, to resign.
The incident highlighted how three days of national mourning have been overshadowed by an intensifying debate about whether the government has done enough to respond to terrorism.
I suppose the French could ban all immigrants from driving "heavy vehicles" ...
Back in 2003 a man drove a hire car into Stockholm's Old Town's most popular pedestrians- only street. 2 died and 15 were injured. Not a terrorist, just crazy - said the car was remote-controlled ... 50-åring åtalas för vansinnesfärd
robert99
On the boat
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/18/w...n-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
In the Age of ISIS, Who’s a Terrorist, and Who’s Simply Deranged?
“A lot of this stuff is at the fringes of what we would historically think of as terrorism,” said Daniel Benjamin, a former State Department coordinator for counterterrorism and a professor at Dartmouth College. But, he said, “the Islamic State and jihadism has become a kind of refuge for some unstable people who are at the end of their rope and decide they can redeem their screwed-up lives” by dying in the name of a cause.
Mr. Benjamin said this also led the news media and government officials to treat violence like the Nice attack differently from other mass attacks, like shootings at schools and churches that have been carried out by non-Muslims.
“If there is a mass killing and there is a Muslim involved, all of a sudden it is by definition terrorism,” he said.
The spectrum of terrorism is widening and now includes attacks loosely inspired by the Islamic State, those carried out by its affiliate groups and attacks directed by the group’s leadership. All have drawn public condemnation and concern, but the plots organized and executed by the Islamic State usually prompt greater concern from the authorities.
In the Age of ISIS, Who’s a Terrorist, and Who’s Simply Deranged?
“A lot of this stuff is at the fringes of what we would historically think of as terrorism,” said Daniel Benjamin, a former State Department coordinator for counterterrorism and a professor at Dartmouth College. But, he said, “the Islamic State and jihadism has become a kind of refuge for some unstable people who are at the end of their rope and decide they can redeem their screwed-up lives” by dying in the name of a cause.
Mr. Benjamin said this also led the news media and government officials to treat violence like the Nice attack differently from other mass attacks, like shootings at schools and churches that have been carried out by non-Muslims.
“If there is a mass killing and there is a Muslim involved, all of a sudden it is by definition terrorism,” he said.
The spectrum of terrorism is widening and now includes attacks loosely inspired by the Islamic State, those carried out by its affiliate groups and attacks directed by the group’s leadership. All have drawn public condemnation and concern, but the plots organized and executed by the Islamic State usually prompt greater concern from the authorities.
robert99
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http://english.alarabiya.net/en/per...gh-to-believe-their-ties-to-lone-wolves-.html
Lone wolves: When is an ISIS militant actually an ISIS militant?
... While many of these attacks have been claimed by ISIS-affiliated extremists with no prior proven contact with the group, a clear pattern has nonetheless emerged: During the digital age, it has become increasingly easy for thuggish young men – often plagued by apparent mental problems and perceived social grievances – to find immediate solace and yes, salvation from a life often marred in petty crimes by embracing a radical ideology which promises a twisted sense of instant heroism, with the additional benefit of dominating the 24-hour news cycle.
(Arabic view of recent "terrorist" incidents - worth a read)
Lone wolves: When is an ISIS militant actually an ISIS militant?
... While many of these attacks have been claimed by ISIS-affiliated extremists with no prior proven contact with the group, a clear pattern has nonetheless emerged: During the digital age, it has become increasingly easy for thuggish young men – often plagued by apparent mental problems and perceived social grievances – to find immediate solace and yes, salvation from a life often marred in petty crimes by embracing a radical ideology which promises a twisted sense of instant heroism, with the additional benefit of dominating the 24-hour news cycle.
(Arabic view of recent "terrorist" incidents - worth a read)
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More: Nice killer had accomplices and planned for year, says prosecutor (21. July 2016)
... so it seems perhaps he wasn't "radicalised" as rapidly as first thought.
robert99
On the boat
"The prosecutor’s office confirmed to Le Figaro that the government ordered agents in charge of video surveillance in Nice to “completely” erase 24 hours of images from six cameras, including all images of the beginning of the attack."
Would have thought that was evidence? Seems a weak attempt to make him out to be a dangerous terrorist.
Would have thought that was evidence? Seems a weak attempt to make him out to be a dangerous terrorist.
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Yes, I was confused about that part. It seems completely irrational. Perhaps they were cameras from shops, and the owners didn't have licences for installing surveillance cameras?
That's not the reason. The government doesn't want media to diffuse the highly disturbing images.
robert99
On the boat
Nice attack: City refuses police call to delete CCTV images - BBC News
The local authorities in Nice have refused a request by French anti-terror police to destroy CCTV images of last week's lorry attack.
The Paris prosecutor's office said the request had been made to avoid the "uncontrolled dissemination" of images.
But officials in Nice have responded by filing a legal document, arguing the footage could constitute evidence.
It is the latest evidence of a growing dispute between the local and national authorities in the wake of the attack.
The local authorities in Nice have refused a request by French anti-terror police to destroy CCTV images of last week's lorry attack.
The Paris prosecutor's office said the request had been made to avoid the "uncontrolled dissemination" of images.
But officials in Nice have responded by filing a legal document, arguing the footage could constitute evidence.
It is the latest evidence of a growing dispute between the local and national authorities in the wake of the attack.